I see Console forum is becoming less democratic

The only really effective way to be neutral on a "Console Talk" forum is not to own any consoles and not to have any particuliar interest in doing so in the near future, anyway. Which would be my case, but errrr...
The most neutral way to act, however, if you do own console X, would then probably just be to say you don't know.

Uttar

 

I actually own X, Y and Z console .

I joined recently (after a long while of just reading posts) and I try my hardest to stay out of any mudslinging. And the comment about E3 is correct, you have this game expo that showcases these new consoles, you then get general gamers going out to look for information. They stumble on this site and thats where it all begins....

PS: The Viral Marketing this is crazy, I can't stand that a company would do that and knowingly derail threads and mess up a forums community....I think theres more that going on here than just little E3 kiddies over running the place...

 

same for me.

 

As someone round here's sig (sonic?) says, appreciating one company's products doesn't neccessitate hating it's competitors. I own only PS2 and will probably only get PS3, but that doesn't mean I can't objectively consider the different companies approaches to console entertainment

I have no problem with differing opinions - it's the attitudes that are getting me down. If person A hates company B, fine. Just don't keep telling us about it over and over again! And likewise if you think company C is the greatest thing ever, there's no need to keeping spouting that opinion. It's shocking how often a thread talking about one console (does XB360 do this?) ends up into a console bashing session when some fan of the opposing 'side' brings their console into the mix. ('PS3 does that and does it better...nyah nyah'.)

 

None of the others here really knows if that's true or not.

 

That would make you a PC fanboi

 

Its not only the younger (Post wise) members, there are some seniors here that do the same thing...

 

Percentage-wise, it's safe to say most problems are caused by the newbies.

 

Yeah thats true, I guess the newer poster have nothing to lose and just let loose console banter the likes which GameFaqs has never seen!!!!

 

in a different universe, I would have seen this thread in the Site Feedback Forum.

 

It was my old sig, and it was something like:

"Enjoying a product does not neccessitate hating said product's competition."

I was not aware anyone ever read it The consoles are a lot like GPUs. Some products are better than others technically, yet support always plays a bigger factor (in the old days Glide, then OpenGL vs. DX, now to a small degree TWGWMTBP etc). And history tells us, both on the PC side and the console side, nothing is ever a given. There are always good bets and bad bets, but it is very difficult to see what will take off, what will be relevant, and what will be irrelevant. I mean, how can a company like Sony hit gold on Walkman and strike out on MP3s? Obviously they felt they had a great plan. Ditto Nintendo. How could they go from the market leader to basically pushing their own self out of the market they revived? Some great ideas have totally bombed and never taken off (sometimes to resurface in another form), while other simple stupid concepts totally underdeveloped become cultural phenomina. I guess I appreciate that aspect of the industry.

Btw, I would not say the console forum is the only one with strong bias/trolling on B3D. There is an obviously clear line here between NV and ATI (which seems to be an extension of the Intel/AMD feud in many ways... do these always come in pairs hehehe). In some ways that attitude filters down to the consoles--and with Sony going with NV, it just completes the equation! The nice thing, at least with X86 and desktop GPUs, is that they are a single platform. So you look at the users current needs, future needs budget, and then look at the available products that lineup. For this very reason half the GPUs I recommend to friends are NV and half are ATI. The same could be said of Intel/AMD in the past (AMD is definately the hot recommendation right now for most people I know, that is PC users who want a cool/quiet system that performs well in games). Basically, there is something wrong when someone only recommends Intel or only ATI (or only NV or only AMD). Yet the sure sign of insanity is when they recommend a Transmeta CPU and XGI GPU for a gaming rig

But B3D is a good source of information if you can weed through stuff. I have a lot of friends to ask me what GPUs to get for their price range and needs and B3D's forum is a good place to get good, solid information. I tend to look at a lot of benchmarks just because I find certain sites tend to favor one over another. A lot of time you can cut through the bull on B3D and get at what is really relevant if you have the time to weed through some irrelevant posts. After a while you pick up on who has what angle/opinion and whose input is fairly relevant.

There are a lot of good posters here who know their stuff. Dave, DeanoC, ERP, Pana, Faf, Jawed, Vysez, Chalnoth, etc... All have a different angle, experience, and preference but when they post it usually has some good meat. And that is what makes B3D great.

All the other stuff is, well, Internet forum bashing. Which the mods do a pretty good job of usually keeping under control. With hundreds of posts a day I am sure it is hard to stay on top of everything, but they do a decent job. As frustrating as it may be lately, it is definately not IGN level

 

Be lucky your threads are only getting locked. When I posted the real name of xbox360 being xenos it got deleted. I signed no NDA.


Believe me these forums are alot better than the Teamxbox forums. They made 100 12 year olds Admins, and they all went on a power trip. these forums are modded nicely compared to that cesspool.

 

Xenos is not the name of Xbox 360, it's the name of the GPU. Xbox 360 is Xenon which everyone knows as that information is publicaly available.

 

Well, I haven't been here very long, and I'm still a noob around here. I'm all for locking threads that go nowhere. I don't understand half of the technical discussions, but most of them as far as I can tell are just that, technical, and unbiased. I've generally avoided jumping in unless the topic is in fact the console war itself, and in particular, strategy. I'm not an electrical engineer, but I do have a law degree and an MBA, so I happen to know a few things about the business side of things. I feel I can talk about these things here more than elsewhere precisely because this site is generally not populated by idiot fanboys. A concept I fail to understand--these are products of two giant corporations looking out for their shareholders, they could give a crap about their customers as long as they are happy with the product. So it's just stupid to take a side, just hope healthy competition generates a better product for all of us to enjoy.

And in the meantime, it can be fun to see who can best out the other, and how they get it done. Here I would hope the focus would be on who is winning the technological race, why, and whether they will be successful. And not to mention, 1) what the new games will really wind up looking like 2) what are the possibilities for the new technology. If I have a bias it's probably towards PS3, if only because I think the possibilities are extensive. (Whether they will be useful or not is another issue, i.e. will all this supercomputer talk wind up being so much bluster like the camera phone I have but never use, or something revolutionary? That to me is an interesting question). But it only belongs in threads where that discussion belongs. If it's a topic on the performance of Xenos, or the various technical aspects of a processor, it's not necessary to get into a raging discussion on the merits of J. Allard's/KK whoever's thoughts on market strategy. It does belong in an interview thread, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't really care who wins, I'm just interested in what happens when two juggernauts, well three, go at it. But I enjoy this site because there are so many bright, intelligent people who really understand the technology on a very high level, and I've learned quite a bit. Or who are directly involved in the process like DeanoC. This is the "console" talk section, and I think it's appropriate to have discussion on topics beyond the finer technical points of clockspeeds and bandwith in some circumstances. But yeah, if even those discussions devolve into "Xbox owns PS3" it's stupid, should be locked and the poster tossed out.

Anyway, as a noob if I interject myself in some technical discussion I don't belong in, please feel free to warn me! Sometimes I can't help myself, but I do try to add something insightful or intelligent even if it's not really news or can shed light on some highly technical point. Sometimes less democracy is healthy. Don't forget, Hitler got elected. If you want democracy, it requires responsibility, which means quite simply 1) think before you post, and 2) try not to take sides. And yes, if you want to rant and rave about how great console X is, please take it somewhere else. I think the vast majority of senior people and junior people on this site don't care for fanboyism. This isn't a pissing contest about which console can outperform the other, it should be about which console is pushing the technological envelope and particularly for the technically minded around here, the community this really belongs to, HOW.

Everyone else should consider themself a guest, so please try to respect the technical minded people around here trying to have a technical discussion. From a noob to fellow noobs, please try not to ruin a great forum. I you have something insightful to add, by all means jump in, but if not, just read and try to learn something. But if it's "Xbox sux" please take a hike. Peace.

 

I'm also fairly new to the site, but I'm definitely for putting out the occasional flame war. The reason I came here was because I am looking for healthy technological debate - which pre-E3 was fairly common in these parts (I've lurked a lot longer than I've posted). E3 seemed to unleash the hounds though.

Like I've said in other forums, I'm a tech fanboy and a games fanboy, not a coporate fanboy. As an engineer and a gamer this is the stuff that gets my blood pumping faster. I know that many of you are the same.

 

I second that. Brilliant post that hits many issues on the nail IMO. The mods (= moderators) should take notes.

 

Yeah thats true...when it comes down to it, many people have made that claim to cover their asses (a retort to someone calling you a fanboy). All I can say that I love Zelda (Wind Waker), Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes (Metal Gear Series is one of my all time favorites)and Super Mario Bro Sunshine....as far as the Xbox goes..I like Halo 2 (Online only) and thinking about getting Jade Empire.

When it comes down to it though the PS2 is where my heart is...I'm actually revisiting the Arc the Lad series (I have the collection which has 1,2 and 3).

Alot of the allegiences comes from some type of emotional attachment to a console (Never understood why). Funny thing is these companies don't see you as individuals..but as people who will make them money. I buy there games...they supply me with more games, the relationship shouldn't go beyond that and if it does...hold it inside or something. or just use this technique...say...

SERENITY NOW

and the fanboy feelings should melt away.....but this shouldn't be used as a longterm solutions...because its serenity now.....insanity later....

>.>

 

long time lurker, newbie poster here


the one thing that causes the feeling around here of late IMO (besides the blatant fanboism ) is the TONE of posts with personal comments toward other posters.

Agreeing to disagree and allowing someone to have a different viewpoint than you without feeling the need to "correct" their thinking to be more like yours creates a place where ideas can be exchanged.


thanks for letting me listen in as I learn a lot here even if I do not understand all of the technical info.


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Proper debate needs the possiblity to show people they're wrong. eg. Person A states an opinion on the nature of hardware X. I reply saying they're wrong because of point Q. Person B responds saying point Q is moot because quote G shows point Q's source is a load of P. I retract my statement being the wiser. Having an opinion without having a reason for that opinion is rather illogical, and by sharing our reasons for believing what we do, hopefully we can come to consensus, or at least see things from a different perspective if we don't end up agreeing.

The other situation more akin to your point in agreeing to disagree is person A suggesting opinion V. Person B counters with opinion W. A counters W with opinion X, and B responds with Y. Neither can agree, so they leave the topic at that. They don't dredge up arguments VWXY over and over every time they end up responding to a different post from each other.

Of course, true debate is extraordinarily rare. More often than not people try to prove themselves right, rather than accept they may be wrong, it's not a crime to be wrong, and look instead for answers, whether their's or someone else's. This is what makes me laugh (or rather, cry) about Parliament. It's not a place where parties raise concerns and points are discussed, but where two sides try to discredit each other.

Look what a mess politics has made of things. Do we really want that going on in our nice little forum?!

 

Why don't you go to a forum where there only sony fans instead of complaining then, if you can't handle negative opinions about sony? With this attitude, you're a part of the problem too.