Enough with the lies. Microsoft is not forcing devs to make last-gen games.
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Enough with the lies. Microsoft is not forcing devs to make last-gen games.
That's exactly what I said "Microsoft isn't going to release any next gen only game in the launch window"
Edit: removed a sentence where I was being petty. I apologise I've been on edge lately.
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Can you find me a single journalist that reported to expect all these titles would show up on PS4 prior to yesterday? Not a single forum member here or anywhere else has made that claim. No one was even talking like this was a thing. Not saying anything about it and failing to fix an incorrect narrative until the day of pre-orders is not considered misleading?
The first person to report this is Geoff Keighly? Really? Not even Sony themselves wanted to acknowledge this.
Just type Horizon Forbidden West PS4 and see how many articles popped up about it now suddenly showing up on PS4.
https://www.techradar.com/news/horizon-2-forbidden-west-ps5-release-date-trailer
^^^ you can say you're the best at knowing what's going to happen or whatever, but the majority of the population were no way clued in that this was going to happen. You wouldn't have editorial after editorial that this was not known until now.
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Well I don't know of which first party game of there's is coming out during the launch window.
SONY's 10 million games may still go cross-gen in 2021, but their other million sellers
such as Ratchent and Clank are already PS5 exclusive and has the next-gen design.
Sony doesn't mislead us. I agree some would think they play it safe and are not that aggressive.
There are different ways to make cross-gen games.
1. Graphically different games: Like Dragon Quest 11 PS4 vs 3DS (Yes, cross two generations).
They only share the same story, the same background setting, but basically SquareEnix builds
two different games and different game stages.
2. Changing game play mechanism:
For example PS4 Battlefield 4 supports 64 people while PS3 version only supports 24 people.
3. Scaling: including resolution, frame-rate, graphic effect.
We can see how Horizon 2 does. For example, if Horizon 2 has different map design between PS5 and PS4 then it may also deliver true next-gen experience.
The graphic fidelity of Horizon 2 makes me think the game does much more additional features than just scaling from PS4 version.
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Yeah sure, check out this totally questionable news source called news.xbox.com:
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/07/16/players-first-you-are-the-future-of-gaming/
Phil Spencer- Head of Xbox and known spreader of FUD said:
https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news...ame-studios-matt-booty-on-the-future-of-xbox/
Matt Booty- Head of Xbox Game Studios and spreader of FUD said:
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...ries-x-developers-being-held-back-by-xbox-one
Phil Spencer- also known as Grand FUD-Spreader said:
I agree, enough with the lies.
I think you guys should send these two rumor mongers an e-mail telling them how wrong they are about Xbox games.
We've already had this discussion on the forums. Maybe you didn't pay any attention to it @ToTTenTranz but he has made statements since then.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ph...hether-or-not-to-make-games-cross-gen.249963/
They weren't forced to to make cross gen titles. They chose to make them cross gen. MS marketed it being cross gen friendly as a result and got smashed for having unclear messaging. How OG Xbox will hold them back.
Even the a huge xbox proponent eventually caved to this narrative
in which everyone championed Playstation for taking the hard cut route.
Not a single journalist knew this was coming
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You haven't defined the "launch window", but now it's just first-party too. So a 2nd or 3rd party game doesn't count even it's Series X|S only? LOL Let's define such a small criteria such that MS can't possibly win. LOL
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Here's the separate thread about it @ToTTenTranz -- https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/that-cross-generation-games-thread-2020-spawn.61889/#post-2140626
About that Microsoft Games Studios cross-gen Statement from Phil Spencer. It is not a mandate. It's up to each respective developer to decide for themselves, even within Xbox Game Studios.
About that Microsoft Games Studios cross-gen Statement from Phil Spencer. It is not a mandate. It's up to each respective developer to decide for themselves, even within Xbox Game Studios.
The thing you'll see on the 23rd is we're giving our studios real creative freedom to build the games that they envision.
As you know we've added a lot of studios to the to the Xbox Game Studios organization over the last few years and providing them the financial stability, the creative freedom to go build the games that they want to go build, and our game creators want to build great games that can reach a large audience of players.
So I think what you hear Matt talking about and what our creators will say is we have a vision for every game that we're building and the vision starts with the player, not the device. If a creator comes to us and says 'No, I really want to focus on next generation' with their games, we're completely open to that and we're very supportive of that.
If a creator comes to us and says I have this vision for reaching these customers across different platforms and different generations we're completely supportive of that.
It is really about our creators having choice and allowing them to build the games that they want to build to reach the audience that they're looking for and not things that we're mandating to our creators in terms of what they have to go do.
It's not our rules for our platform it's more about creators creating the games that they want to go build looking ahead.
As you know we've added a lot of studios to the to the Xbox Game Studios organization over the last few years and providing them the financial stability, the creative freedom to go build the games that they want to go build, and our game creators want to build great games that can reach a large audience of players.
So I think what you hear Matt talking about and what our creators will say is we have a vision for every game that we're building and the vision starts with the player, not the device. If a creator comes to us and says 'No, I really want to focus on next generation' with their games, we're completely open to that and we're very supportive of that.
If a creator comes to us and says I have this vision for reaching these customers across different platforms and different generations we're completely supportive of that.
It is really about our creators having choice and allowing them to build the games that they want to build to reach the audience that they're looking for and not things that we're mandating to our creators in terms of what they have to go do.
It's not our rules for our platform it's more about creators creating the games that they want to go build looking ahead.
What else would I mean when I say Microsoft other than first or second party?
Is there a next gen only game published by Microsoft? I'm honestly asking.
Regarding launch window I wouldn't know I wasn't being scientific, let's say 6 months?
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Quality not quantity. Those are deffo some of the best PS4 games. But yeah, it's not *all* games.
God I hate these acronyms.
What game is SMH?
Can we agree that if a game hasn't been discussed in some recent posts in the thread, the full name would be used instead of an acronym.
Edit: oh, I guess it means Shaking My Head
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Quality not quantity. Those are deffo some of the best PS4 games. But yeah, it's not *all* games.
I was just surprised they cut the list that low. I thought they would easily have it stretch out further, to like 54 or so, but that would be an amazing 3 free games per month for 18 months. Or even being for 24 months would hit 48, meaning 2 amazing games per month. Probably too much value to give away?
I'd expect there are many games from MS Studios well into development (1 year +) right now that will end up being next-gen exclusives on console. Titles in the launch window would have started development 3, 4, even 5 years ago. Within that time you can make a game that will be able to be enjoyed by a small audience upon release or you can make one that will instantly be accessible to a much larger audience on release. If, as a platform holder, you're not too bothered about incentivizing purchases of your new console via exclusives and instead choose to rely on the capability of the hardware alone to sell itself, why does it make sense to do the former?
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I was just surprised they cut the list that low. I thought they would easily have it stretch out further, to like 54 or so, but that would be an amazing 3 free games per month for 18 months. Or even being for 24 months would hit 48, meaning 2 amazing games per month. Probably too much value to give away?
Definitely, yeah. PS Plus is cheap, it's the equivalent of Xbox Gold (if it's still called that). I'm definitely going to be playing some of those that I missed out on. It's a serious bargain if they're on the normal Plus membership.
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All these titles? All these 2 (two) titles?
Out of the 10 1st-party games announced for the PS5?
So what's your theory here?
Sony was trying to hide the PS4 of Horizon 2? From whom? You think they were afraid of not filling up the pre-orders? You think Sony was being dishonest about the existence of Horizon 2 on the PS4 because that would be motive for a significant number of people not wanting to buy a PS5?
Is this the theory?
Geoff Keighly is a very popular gaming journalist / presenter who breaks gaming-relate news about everything. He broke the news about PS4 Horizon 2 just as he broke the news about retailers getting ahead of themselves with pre-orders.
He's the first person to report on a lot of stuff.
So they spend half a year saying all games will be available on the XBone for at least two years, all while getting criticized for that, and suddenly it's not a mandate. It's just that all developers chose to make their games on 4 different consoles at the same time.
So when he writes, one week before that interview:
Who's "we"? Every studio director living in different countries / continents having the exact same opinion about having to make their games on 4 different consoles?Phil Spencer said:
I wonder what Tim Longo has to say about that. It sure sounds like he's saying "we" the executives, not "we" the developers/directors (mainly because he isn't one).
Regardless, this isn't the thread for that.
I'll be surprised if the Plus price doesn't increase this year - again.
