How to handle raytracing discussion while it's platform specific to nVidia

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  1. iroboto

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    As per your original post:
    I wasn't sure how to interpret this, it is likely how I'm reading it, but it came across to me as though you write that the forum (ownership) was influenced by corporate interests (AMD) and thus the behaviour of the mods were against Nvidia. Of which I said conspiracy theories are a terrible way to live throughout life. I've no doubt that there could be paid influencers on this forum or others and that's something as long as they are respectful and not purposefully trying to mislead people, I'm generally okay with. I think I had an issue with saying the operations of the board was under purchased influence, which you didn't imply directly, but following the thread along, I assumed you were aligned with that line of reasoning another poster suggested.
     
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    Generally, enthusiasm isn't a problem. Not being able to handle when other people are critical of the thing one is enthusiastic about or when they just aren't as enthusiastic as one is, is a problem though. To be fair, negativity based on the company/person behind the thing instead of evaluating on the merits of the thing itself is also a problem.
     
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    I'll admit I'm against nVidia, but if you were to put that statement on a logical venn diagram, that doesn't mean I'm only against them.

    You probably know by now from my rants on just about everything. :yes: I just don't care enough to make a big deal of it on the forums because it's unproductive being a troll to strangers and being cynical about just about every company. :V

    Besides, you'll be the lucky one to see a snarky post before it mysteriously vani- NEVER EXISTED YOU (7^3)i APOLOGIST. :V
     
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    lol, how is that 1070 GTX performing in gears of war 4 for you again?

    lol indeed. Let's continue playing that alpha title that should never had released with 2 enemy types, one of which the snakes don't even move. hahahah, mind you I never suggested ever playing brie of cheese.

    but i digress, everyone should be completely guilt free to rant and rave despite about any topic, even if they are vested/not vested in it, otherwise there wouldn't be any sort of discussion at all.
     
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    I dont either agree on nvidia's pricing stretegy, it would be a good thing if AMD and possibly Intel could compete on all levels and have matching tech so that pricing can be on more normal levels. On the other hand without nvidia we might not see this much improvements in GPU space. One could blame the lack of competition from AMD/Intel etc for Nvidias monopoly.
     
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    You mean the one that has BSOD'd on me several times because Unreal Engine is shit, nVidia can't be arsed to fix it, and the developers are too busy trying to do Zod-only-knows-what in the dregs of a gloomy-ass city that can't handle the zod-awful foreign house buyers ruining local prices for everyone, and I have a lack of options because AMD has an Ancient technology that even Dr. Jackson wouldn't want because it's uncompetitive and serves to add to climate change and leads to uncompetitive pricing because capitalism to feed JHH's wardrobe and crop circles :?:

    Indeed.

    This is fine.

    At least with Nintendo, there isn't anything shady about their cost-efficiency-first approach to HW in order to supply foam-frothing fans of the 30th Mario title, and if you complain about the HW, you're just some conservative self-serving hypocrite hoping for a bailout as they realize there is in fact no ingenious 4th dimensional chess solution for a rhyme to "orange", or in tl;dr, a short-sighted idiot.

    Come at me lib-bro.

    :V

    Maybe I should change my name to Al B.Ran Ting like some Carmen Sandiego villain. ninja.gif

    One of you might die of an aneurysm after reading this, and that's okay because you probably fought like a cow and that means it was just mad cow disease and your best friend forever was a chauvinistic pig, and in this Circus of Values nothing significant would be lost. :mrgreen:

    Breathe.
     
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    Aaaaaaaand there goes my like just because of your Carmen Sandiego reference. ;-)
     
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    Since it has come up a couple of times in this thread, I thought I'd talk about where the money to run Beyond3D comes from, who runs it, and my involvement in moderation and how the forums are practically managed on a day-to-day basis.

    First, the money and who runs it. Beyond3D is technically paid for by my company (GPU Tools Ltd), is completely advertising-free, and doesn't take any corporate sponsorship of any kind. The primary income that my company uses to pay for things comes from forum users in the form of subscriptions and donations, so the costs are covered by those of you kind enough to chip in. That said, biggest financial contributor is actually me, as part of my covenant as Beyond3D's owner and admin to keep the lights on for you all. Without my personal contribution as a subscriber, the Beyond3D costs to my business mean it would operate at a loss. My business pays me nothing to run or maintain it.

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    With that out of the way, here's my personal input to this thread's core topic — the difficulty of moderating polarised threads like those on PC raytracing — it's all covered by the Terms of Service and Rules. If you haven't read them before, please do. I wrote them to be nice and simple and easy to understand, with one core message: just be nice to each other.

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    I am biased against rasterization, ETC1 texture format, image quality in 2008, and pizza that is made outside of the NY area.
     
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    all these flashbacks of Ugly Delicious Episode 1: Netflix.
     
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