How Close to 500MHz has NV got?

DaveBaumann said:
Sabastian said:
I have always thought that the Geforce 4 Ti series were hot runners as well. While they didn't come stock with the abit OTES fan system but they did indeed come with some rather fancy heatsinks/fans.
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Yes, but they pale in comparison to R300 - although R300 does stick within PC standards and OEM requirements
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Umm, I remember reading somewhere the R300 ran cooler the Albatron Geforce 4 Ti 4600.. err I think so anyhow. It would take some time to hunt down that quote though. If you have better info I would take that over some obscure review I read some time ago.
 
DaveBaumann said:
Sabastian said:
I have always thought that the Geforce 4 Ti series were hot runners as well. While they didn't come stock with the abit OTES fan system but they did indeed come with some rather fancy heatsinks/fans.
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Yes, but they pale in comparison to R300 - although R300 does stick within PC standards and OEM requirements.
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I don't think it pales in comparison considering what each offers. The R300 doesn't have a fancy heatsink, and the power requirement is not much (IIRC) greater than a 4600 (I actually consider that quite a feat for as many transistors as it has). Also, the size difference I think is a significant achievement for ATI (though it doesn't matter much, as, as you've said, the Ti 4600 fits within standards).

megadrive0088 said:
It's no surprise that it's been clocked upto 500 Mhz, but that doesn't make up for the fact that NV30 is actually already outdated.
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We're getting a tad ahead of ourselve's here aren't we?
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:LOL: No kidding! It must suck to be a 3d graphics IHV if the nv30 is "outdated" now, or is even so when it is available. I don't think not soundlytrouncing the R300 as some seem to have been expecting makes the nv30 any worse in actuality.
 
DaveBaumann said:
Although I'm sure it will get OEM sales, you can bet that cooling will have ruled out the high end GeForce FX from many of the blue collar OEM's, which is very different from any of NVIDIA's previous MO.
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Thats a good point, and imo it is a very important point too. If you have a look at the launch partners thats on the nvidia site, there aren't any "blue collar OEM's" at all.
No matter how you look at it, that can't be a good thing.

Edit: Having a look at that page again, it does list Fujitsu as an OEM, so thats one I guess.
 
Actually, if you look at the top right of the label (bottom right in the picture), there's some writing that could well say "500/500"...
 
Maverick said:
Actually, if you look at the top right of the label (bottom right in the picture), there's some writing that could well say "500/500"...
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I noticed that too, but to me it looked like "300/300". However, on further inspection I agree that it looks like "500/500".
 
What's with all this discussion about whether these alpha cards are running at 500 MHz or not. Is NVidia going to allow any benchmarks on them? If not, who cares... They could be running at 4.5 GHz for all it matters, if they don't benchmark them and production units are not available at that speed now, then when difference does it make?
 
I think the large (Understatement?) fan is probably required. I would think this would mean that nVidia's going to push the yields--and that they are anything but super for 500MHz clocking. Probably at 400MHz things would be entirely different--but I can't really say that for sure, of course.

Since the pricing seems to be divided, my guess would be that the $500 model will be the "Performance" model and carry the large fan (essentially an overclocked nv30) and the "cheaper" $400 model will be clocked 50-100MHz slower--and possibly *not* require the large fan, and thus be suitable for OEM (system OEMs) placement. The cheaper chip will probably run at the actual clock speed the chip yields for a somehwat cooler operation--and since that won't require the larger fan I'm guessing the clock difference might be closer to 100MHz than to 50Mhz.

Just speculating here--and I could be all wet if yields are poor all the way around right now--in that case they'd all need the super fans. But I don't think it would make sense for nVidia to do a non-system OEM-useable version of the chip and nothing else. So I'll bet the lower priced models will run ~20% slower and not need the gargantuan fan. What say you?
 
gravioli said:
Maverick said:
Actually, if you look at the top right of the label (bottom right in the picture), there's some writing that could well say "500/500"...
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I noticed that too, but to me it looked like "300/300". However, on further inspection I agree that it looks like "500/500".
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It also says 'failed' below it, plus something else that's completely undecipherable.
 
I wonder if it's possible that XBox 2's GPU (assuming its from Nv) could reach 1 Ghz :eek: :eek: :eek:


....if they're going to hit 500 Mhz in Dec 2002 or Feb 2003
 
It also says "Chip # 7391" (or maybe "Chip # 739.1", which makes even less sense) in the upper left corner. I find it very hard to believe they have over 7000 NV30 chips mounted on cards and tested. Maybe the 7391 is the Wafer Lot number, and the #210 is actually the chip number designator from a particular batch of wafers. (Just idle speculation)
 
Walt: Interesting speculation. I assume you're referring to the "Ultra" and Vanilla versions? Because I'm under the impression that both version will require the huge cooling system, and that they will later announce a single-slot version with lower clock speeds.
 
WaltC said:
Since the pricing seems to be divided, my guess would be that the $500 model will be the "Performance" model and carry the large fan (essentially an overclocked nv30) and the "cheaper" $400 model will be clocked 50-100MHz slower--and possibly *not* require the large fan, and thus be suitable for OEM (system OEMs) placement. The cheaper chip will probably run at the actual clock speed the chip yields for a somehwat cooler operation--and since that won't require the larger fan I'm guessing the clock difference might be closer to 100MHz than to 50Mhz.
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A $400 graphics card is not suitable for OEMs anyway. Remember these are the guys who sell P4 chips coupled with TNT2s.
 
kid_crisis said:
It also says "Chip # 7391" (or maybe "Chip # 739.1", which makes even less sense) in the upper left corner. I find it very hard to believe they have over 7000 NV30 chips mounted on cards and tested. Maybe the 7391 is the Wafer Lot number, and the #210 is actually the chip number designator from a particular batch of wafers. (Just idle speculation)
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Well IFF the pics of the wafers I saw were accurate then it looks like a wafer holds about 125ish parts. Again thats assuming those pics were accurate.....
 
I'm suprised no one actually touched on the naming scheme of the chip first.Nvidia gets the no. of there chips by the generation followed by the memory speed so if it is 5800 for instance this is there 5th generation Geforce part since there doesn't seem to be anything new at all & with the 800 being the Mhz of the memory speed.However if they do both core & mem. asynchronously we're looking at 400 Mhz for the core.




Now the Ultra version might be explainable in that it just might feature a 256 bit memory interface even though current reports currently blow any theory of such a feature being supported.However,it definitely explains the the same 5800 no.


ALL imo but still a very sound theory.
 
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