How Close to 500MHz has NV got?

RussSchultz said:
Or maybe its just a piece of crap test chip in the FA lab that somebody took a picture of.

LMAO... yeah this is what I was thinking. We don't know what the "speed" number means at all or even if the sign hanging off the machine is legit. I wouldn't be making any conclusions based on this particular picture without more information and only from legit sources. We can however see that the card does indeed require external power.
 
i do think it is funny that the nVidia chips all use what is basically the abit OTES fan system to cool them. It is obvious that they had to ramp up clockspeed higher than they really wanted to be able to beat the R300.
No one designs a chip that NEEDS that kind of cooling.
 
I'm not suggesting that it isn't an NV30 or that its not running at the speed indicated by the toe tag, but I know in our labs when we get new silicon back, we're using just about every one of the chips that come back that's even partially functional to do software development on or use in demo platforms.

We have chips that won't run at speed, chips who's analog sections are busted, etc, but they're still good for specific purposes in debugging and software development.

A picture of a development board with a speed scribbled on it really shouldn't be taken as gospel as to how well the product will turn out.
 
Althornin said:
i do think it is funny that the nVidia chips all use what is basically the abit OTES fan system to cool them. It is obvious that they had to ramp up clockspeed higher than they really wanted to be able to beat the R300.
No one designs a chip that NEEDS that kind of cooling.

Oh I couldn't agree more... and what of the NV30 refresh at even higher clock speeds? (Mayhap there won't be any.) We ought to be careful here we are treading fanb@y territory for being critical of this particular characteristic.(So its been said.)
 
Typedef Enum said:
No one designs a chip that NEEDS that kind of cooling

Then again...Who the heck else has designed a 125M transistor chip operating @ 500 MHz? :)
Umm, thats my POINT.
It needs the exotic cooling to run at 500Mhz.
Exotic cooling != norm (costs more)
ergo, original plans were for slower clockspeed.
 
I don't see how you can say it was not intended to run this fast just because it's using a beefy cooling system. You could just as easily claim that it was intended to be this fast, and the cooling system was designed to meet that expectation. There is no evidence to support either argument.
 
But if it is running at such a low speed why have the overkill cooling system and extra power input?
 
Crusher that cooling is an extreme method and it appears that it is stock. You don't design a 125 million transistor chip around such an apparatus unless you have no other choice. I suppose you could turf the thing but what would your clock speeds/performance be then?
 
Although I'm sure it will get OEM sales, you can bet that cooling will have ruled out the high end GeForce FX from many of the blue collar OEM's, which is very different from any of NVIDIA's previous MO.
 
NV30 was originally, originally ment to be out Spring 2002 (with NV25 for fall 2001) then NV30 was pushed to fall 2002, and then it slipped to
Jan-Feb 2003. quite disappointing.

It's no surprise that it's been clocked upto 500 Mhz, but that doesn't make up for the fact that NV30 is actually already outdated.
 
DaveBaumann said:
Although I'm sure it will get OEM sales, you can bet that cooling will have ruled out the high end GeForce FX from many of the blue collar OEM's, which is very different from any of NVIDIA's previous MO.

I have always thought that the Geforce 4 Ti series were hot runners as well. While they didn't come stock with the abit OTES fan system but they did indeed come with some rather fancy heatsinks/fans.
 
Sabastian said:
I have always thought that the Geforce 4 Ti series were hot runners as well. While they didn't come stock with the abit OTES fan system but they did indeed come with some rather fancy heatsinks/fans.

Yes, but they pale in comparison to R300 - although R300 does stick within PC standards and OEM requirements

megadrive0088 said:
It's no surprise that it's been clocked upto 500 Mhz, but that doesn't make up for the fact that NV30 is actually already outdated.

We're getting a tad ahead of ourselve's here aren't we?

Geeforcer said:
I second that Huh. (BTW, am I going carazy or what that very same message posted in several threads?)

No, he did - although I've just removed the duplicates!
 
sorry bout that.

As for NV30,
it is, in a way, outdated, since it is being released in Jan-Feb but was originally ment to be out spring 2002.
 
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