Scaling does work these days. Cross-gen doesnt have to be bad at all, as proven by forbidden west. It looks better than Rift Apart which is a native PS5 only game.
Scaling does work these days. Cross-gen doesnt have to be bad at all, as proven by forbidden west. It looks better than Rift Apart which is a native PS5 only game.
snc
Veteran
Big diff, kudos for Guerrilla
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Fantastic job. This is a great showcase of how the developer first targets the current generation console with their design target for their game, then afterwards they figure out, OK, how do they scale it all down to be able to run on PS4 and PS4-P.
Selective use of VRS on PS4 is a great example of this. That was added to the engine during the process of figuring out how to port the game to PS4 in order to allow them to scale down to the PS4 without sacrificing as much detail as they would have had to if they didn't add VRS. Had VRS been in the original design for the game, it would certainly have been used in the PS5 version as well as that could have potentially boosted the graphics in the PS5 version even more and maybe some of those effects that I noticed that aren't quite up to the quality of the rest of the game would have been better if they could have selectively boosted or reduced the shader quality on certain items being shaded.
Regards,
SB
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Think of it another way, if this title were on PC, the PS4 would be something akin to low/mid while the PS5 would be something along the lines of High/Ultra. But the gulf in graphics presentation between PS4 and PS5 is larger than what we see in PC games between low/mid and high/ultra. That's because for something like Ultra on PC, the developer is mostly just boosting existing rendering effects and occasionally swapping in alternative rendering layers (like RT) for an established rendering layer (lighting, shadows, etc.), but they are almost never actually adding anything.
It is quite often easier to remove something from the lower quality version of a game than it is to add something to a higher quality version of a game.
Games on PC usually target lower spec hardware and then attempt to scale up. This leads to not a huge difference between low/mid and high/ultra other than resolution, asset quality and rendering quality. You will almost never see new things added.
If you instead target high and then scale down, you can not only scale down the aforementioned resolution, asset quality and rendering quality ... but more importantly you can just flat out remove things that don't fit into the rendering budget on the lower spec. hardware.
An example of this is that entire parts of the background scene geometry are just removed in the PS4 version compared to the PS5 version. Easier to remove those after the fact when you're trying to figure out what isn't necessarily needed to have a similar experience on the lower end hardware. OTOH - if you find yourself having to add entire geometric assets into a scene, now it becomes more difficult to figure out how to add in scene changing geometry without disrupting the feel of the scene that was originally created for that area of the game.
Not impossible obviously. But it's far easier and less time consuming to take an established scene/area/level and selectively remove things while keeping the same overall look and "feel" versus adding in things and still maintaining the same overall look and "feel".
Think about R&C and the remake of Demon Soul's, they'd be relatively easy to scale down to PS4 if the studios wanted to. However, the flip side of creating them originally on PS4 and then having them scale up to become their current PS5 versions would have been nearly impossible.
Or hell, think of any PS4/XBO title that has been scaled down to work on the Nintendo Switch. Scaling down to NSW hardware is possible and easier than trying to scale up an NSW title into a PS4/XBO game of the same scale and feature set as when you scaled down a PS4/XBO game to NSW.
Would Skyrim or No Man's Sky on PS4/XBO be what they currently are if instead they had targeted the NSW at the start and then later were scaled up to run on PS4/XBO? Those games would have been drastically different if they had started out targeting NSW.
Did targeting PS4 make it impossible to scale No Man's Sky down to NSW level hardware?
Regards,
SB
It is quite often easier to remove something from the lower quality version of a game than it is to add something to a higher quality version of a game.
Games on PC usually target lower spec hardware and then attempt to scale up. This leads to not a huge difference between low/mid and high/ultra other than resolution, asset quality and rendering quality. You will almost never see new things added.
If you instead target high and then scale down, you can not only scale down the aforementioned resolution, asset quality and rendering quality ... but more importantly you can just flat out remove things that don't fit into the rendering budget on the lower spec. hardware.
An example of this is that entire parts of the background scene geometry are just removed in the PS4 version compared to the PS5 version. Easier to remove those after the fact when you're trying to figure out what isn't necessarily needed to have a similar experience on the lower end hardware. OTOH - if you find yourself having to add entire geometric assets into a scene, now it becomes more difficult to figure out how to add in scene changing geometry without disrupting the feel of the scene that was originally created for that area of the game.
Not impossible obviously. But it's far easier and less time consuming to take an established scene/area/level and selectively remove things while keeping the same overall look and "feel" versus adding in things and still maintaining the same overall look and "feel".
Think about R&C and the remake of Demon Soul's, they'd be relatively easy to scale down to PS4 if the studios wanted to. However, the flip side of creating them originally on PS4 and then having them scale up to become their current PS5 versions would have been nearly impossible.
Or hell, think of any PS4/XBO title that has been scaled down to work on the Nintendo Switch. Scaling down to NSW hardware is possible and easier than trying to scale up an NSW title into a PS4/XBO game of the same scale and feature set as when you scaled down a PS4/XBO game to NSW.
Would Skyrim or No Man's Sky on PS4/XBO be what they currently are if instead they had targeted the NSW at the start and then later were scaled up to run on PS4/XBO? Those games would have been drastically different if they had started out targeting NSW.
Did targeting PS4 make it impossible to scale No Man's Sky down to NSW level hardware?
Regards,
SB
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It's a bigger gap than i thought at first. They really highlighted all the differences. So PS5 in fidelity mode is pushing more than 4 times the resolution plus all added details. Pretty nice.
At least ps4 users get a taste of some of ps5 graphics with the FMV cutscenes.
As for scaling, it can be done right or wrong, it all depends on the ressources and time available, plus knowing well the hardware you are working with.
At least ps4 users get a taste of some of ps5 graphics with the FMV cutscenes.
As for scaling, it can be done right or wrong, it all depends on the ressources and time available, plus knowing well the hardware you are working with.
Unknown Soldier
Veteran
So this just arrived. 
And then this arrived. Seems I double bought it.
And then this arrived.
Seems I double bought it.
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https://nos.nl/artikel/2417876-amsterdamse-studio-guerrilla-maakte-miljoenengame-met-thuiswerkers
2000 people worked on the game. Pandemics made things difficult.
2000 people worked on the game. Pandemics made things difficult.
So this one I’m playing in the resolution mode, 30Hz doesn’t seem too bad and the sharpness is crazy compared to the Performance mode.
And yeah, again, peeps need to relax and stop complaining, this is by far the best looking thing I’ve played on PS5.
And yeah, again, peeps need to relax and stop complaining, this is by far the best looking thing I’ve played on PS5.
Have to agree, and as DF noted. Too much loss in 60fps, 30fps isnt too bad for the kind of game it is anyway, its no fast paced fps and the 30fps doesnt murder the gameplay as some others do.
How is the FOV compared to the first one? Is there a FOV option?
snc
Veteran
taking into account how stable is native 4k 30 propably dynamic 1800p-4k 40 is possible
https://www.nu.nl/tech/6184689/nieu...unnen-uitkomen-we-wilden-niet-overwerken.html
They prefered report the release of the game than crunching like crazy and release it for end of 2021. Great decision.
They prefered report the release of the game than crunching like crazy and release it for end of 2021. Great decision.
