I read the [H] and therefore I am living in sin. But I occasionally read things here and at a number of review sites like anyone with even half a brain should, to see things from all angles, so I guess there's hope for salvation. But I wouldn't know. I have nothing factual to support this conclusion of mine.
But anyway, joking aside, I just wanted to say that I just can't believe the forum here. Yes on the one hand, very useful. On the other? It's a mixed bag of people who fall under what I have to say, but I'm not going to go through the current ten pages of the filth to find names. It's been stated that the 'adults' go to B3D, so the 'adults' then will know if they are guilty. The maturity level displayed here is apalling. [T]ardOCP? Going as far as poking fun at a website and somehow, someway, this isn't bias? And I find it inaccurate. I've never met Kyle in person but judging by he way he handles himself I do not find anything about him to be in display of any kind of mental handicap. Perhaps you have reason to believe otherwise and that's fine. That's your view, not mine. I could show you facts and support to show why I believe this, but in the end, you're still going to believe what you want to believe, even when the proof states otherwise. It is human nature to do so. That doesn't make it right, but it still happens, doesn't it?
Then when an answer is given, regardless of what's stated, you asked a question, he gave an answer. It's still not enough. When he points out that he's not the only one who thought the same thing, people who actually did troubleshoot the damn thing, it's still not enough. When he points out that he's had prior problems in the past, it's still not enough.
What WILL be enough?
And to ask a better question - what in the fuck do any of you offer that would seriously make him want to listen to you anyway? You are people on the Internet. Miles and miles away from him. He doesn't know any of you from the Pope. You flame him, you take his comments out of context, you rip on his website, rip on the articles that are there and rip HIM for it, even when he's not the author of them, you make blanket statements about the people who go to the forums there...yeah, that's plenty of reason why anyone should listen to what has to be said. I see that kind of logic applying very well to the big names in the industry on the hardware and software side - listen to what people on forums say! They know everything! I don't need to read the rest of this forum to know that - I just had to read this single multi-page thread.
Seriously, what more do you guys want? He runs his shit the way he wants to, and people apparently like it. You folks here obviously like what B3D offers, and that's why you're here. Does that make it right for the [H] readers to bash B3D? In your minds no, but I've seen the assumptions made about its readers on YOUR part. And how can you come to this conclusion about them? Have you met and talked with every single one to know this for a fact? You know, that little word you keep throwing around here? Nobody is forcing you to read the shit on the [H] just as nobody is forcing anyone to read a damn thing on the net, be it [H], B3D, or any other review site. I'd like to see this proof that you are in fact being given no other choice to read the [H] so you can be as pissed off as you are about what's done there. At least get me a live feed of Kyle coming to your house and putting a gun to your head as you sit at your PC and make you read his website. You guys act like he's the Howard Stern of the Internet! Love him or hate him, you still tune in because you want to see what he'll say next. What else do you want, your own ads for B3D after NewEgg in the rotation? Will it take that to make you happy?
You want him to make an apology? And that is going to get any of you to apologize for the insults you've slung and the opinions you've made, right? And just because you're you, you're a B3D supporter, and whatever other 'fact' you'll throw, that makes you right and justified to sling those insults and have those flames and make those opinions. I'm sorry but I don't see Kyle apologizing anytime sooner than any of you pricks will apologize for half the negative things you say, even if you were proven that you were wrong to make those statements.
We go from motherboard blames to blaming the chipset in all different directions. Okay, so let's say hypothetically the motherboard as a whole is fine but the chipset is, from all conceivable angles, the root of the problem. So what, we pray to god we're real soldering bastards and take off the chipset and put a new one on? Don't think so. And let's say the board's bad but the chipset's fine. We can't rip the chipset off onto a new board now can we? Well we could in a perfect world, but maybe some of us just aren't hardcore enough to do that. I know I'm not. Either way the motherboard would end up getting dumped in favor of either a replacement unit, or a board with a different chipset entirely, yes or no?
Personally? I really don't give a fuck what Kyle has to say about any particular piece of hardware in his experience other than to note that it has been in fact, his experience. I at least have enough sense to NOT SOLELY BASE my own judgement and choices on his views and articles, whether he is the author of them or not. Kyle is not God. Maybe on the [H]Forums as an admin he is, but I wouldn't worship him if he could walk on water. Frankly, if anyone reads only one particular review site on something and uses only that to base their viewpoint? They deserve to be called every name in the book. I don't care if a website already covers everything from every conceivable angle on a product. I don't care if they cover every individual product that comes off the assembly line before it gets boxed and shipped out. I'm still going to go elsewhere for 2nd, third, and fourth opinions, whether it's review sites or people I know who work with or on computers as a job. Why? Because everyone has their own way of doing things and will ultimately have their own experiences, and the very environment and equipment they use to test these setups and analyze results are all VARYING. The way something operates in a sterile lab can be wholly different in a real world environment, which is not a sterile lab for most people.
Kyle is one person out of the millions out there that have varying results on the same damn thing. Everyone has their own experiences, positive and negative. I know people who have great experiences with one brand of hardware, and naturally they stick with it. I know other people who have great experiences with the other brand, and again, they will stick with it. Some of you can point out every problem under the sun with Nvidia, others can do the same for ATI. But in the end are any of you going to change your views with the knowledge that you possess based on that? I highly doubt it. You're still going to go with what works for you in the end, are you not? Or are you seriously giong to stand by what's factually the best even though it refuses to work for you the way it has been shown to?
Maybe the majority of you have money out the ass to go against previous track records and take a risk now and then, or maybe even all the time, but poor schmucks like me? Not so fortunate. We will stick toward what has worked good by us and continue to work by us until it fails us. I guess that makes me too human or possibly even dumb, but hey, we all have our flaws and if being human is one of them then I am guilty as sin. I would rather have what works rather than what is quoted to be the best. I'm the type of person where I don't give a damn if it's scientifically proven from every conceivable angle that it's superior in every way to what I prefer to use - if the damn thing doesn't work for me as far as I'm concerned it's scientifically proven to not work for me and if the exchanged units also don't work for me and also don't work in other systems, then to me, it just doesn't work for me. That perhaps makes me ignorant in some way - ask me if I care, at least I have a working computer.
The truth is that 'science' at least the way I was taught in highschool is that you do not base your conclusions on one instance, but a number of them to see if the results are consistent. And maybe the way I was taught is completely wrong for all I know! I wouldn't know. I haven't been taught science any differently in that respect. But in a way if you do end up having consistently bad experiences with a particular ANYTHING, are you still going to keep using it just because it's factually the best? Are you really that willing to stand behind fact that you would put up with all the problems that come from having what's factually the best? Where I come from, if it's not working the way it's supposed to, that doesn't make it the best - that makes it compactor food.
I don't really give a damn if Kyle can't back up a particular fact or another on that review. There's plenty of other review sites that have their own style and methods, and while all of them are not 110% on the mark individually, they all do help paint the bigger picture. The whole point to the fucking review at all was to do everything from the average consumer's perspective - folks like you here at B3D and the ones who are at the [H] are NOT average consumers. We are all lumped together in this nice group called ENTHUSIASTS. The average consumer does not give a flying fuck about facts or science or data. The only facts, science, and data they are concerned about is that they have a $3,000 paperweight that operates on electricity, and the company they bought it from is scratching their heads over it. Said company went through the normal routine that they would do with any other customer by replacing the defective part and sending back. Fine. But after jumping through all the hoops and hurdles, an average consumer would lean towards, but not always would end up being frustrated enough to say fuck it and have that bad taste left in their mouth over what they had. An average consumer would be concerned about what's happened to their system in all that time, moreso if they have sensitive data on their machine, so yes I understand the concern that something may have gone on to alter the results. Maybe yes Kyle should have personally inspected it inside and out himself to find out what the problem is - but is this what the average consumer is going to do? NO! The average consumer does not have spare parts laying around for troubleshooting. The average consumer sees it as they spent four figures on a machine, and as thus it better fucking work out of the box. It didn't, and now it's time to make heads roll. The average consumer does not have the knowledge to understand or deduce logically what the problem could be or they wouldn't be calling tech support in the first place. The whole point of the review again, is to see things from the point of view of the average consumer.
Truthfully and honestly? If you guys have that much of a problem with the way Kyle does things, you are more than welcome to start up your own website, invest your own time and money into doing the same things he does, only on your terms and to YOUR standards. You certainly have enough time if you're going to read the [H] solely to find more reasons to flame it. Money? I'm sure the lot of you could pool your resources. And to even show you as 'proof' or what little proof I can provide that I'm not [H]/Kyle/Nvidia/ biased myself? I'll even throw in what I can spare to help.
In short? Beyond3D's website and articles rock. You guys on the forums that want to flame? You aren't any better than the very bullshit that has you up in arms, and to be truthful you are the ones who make any forum community not worth visiting and provide proof to the contrary about the 'greatness' of the community, and it's why I do more lurking than actually posting on any forum on the internet.
I really don't care if this gets me banned. It's probably the only post I will ever make. Currently? It's the only post I intend to make here. And if it goes as far as resulting in me being banned from Beyond3D as a whole? Hey, there's a shit-ton more review websites out there. I'm not going to lose any sleep.
