GT4 Reviews start rolling in...
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GT3 with facial hair, just what I expected. Owners of GT2 still have no REAL reason to upgrade unless pretty cars work for you... This is the exact reason I was a saturn owner. In the year to 18 months RE2, Tekken 2, Tomb Raider 2 came out.. the Saturn had Panzer Dragoon Saga, awesome ports of Quake/Duke, Burning Rangers...
sytaylor said:
Blasphemy!!!!!!!! Prepare to die a slow death. Being cooked in the flames of B3D fangirls.
yup this all goes back to some companys using franchises to much.
This is a franchise that is starting to turn south. I think gta 3 was good , but not amazing and only slightly better than other games of its type (mostly just more custimizable (sp?) than things like sega gt )
and this one doesn't seem to take anything but the graphics further.
My friend should be getting it friday . SO i can give u guys some personal reviews
This is a franchise that is starting to turn south. I think gta 3 was good , but not amazing and only slightly better than other games of its type (mostly just more custimizable (sp?) than things like sega gt )
and this one doesn't seem to take anything but the graphics further.
My friend should be getting it friday . SO i can give u guys some personal reviews
The improved handling, making the GT experience even more "realistic" than before, new (and very very old 
) cars, new tracks.
Those are enough reasons for a GT upgrade, and I'm sure many will be happy with those, I know I'll be.
And anyway, how many innovative features can you add to a car driving game without turning it into a fantasy gadgety racing game. I already have my doubts of the b-spec mode as being too gimmicky.
GT series are mostly pure driving experience, I find it hard to imagine how they could change the basic concept much without turning it into something completely different, and not a GT game any more.
Edit: I can't think but just a couple of things they could add/improve in the GT series, and even those are not very critical to the gameplay (except one) but more just "nice gimmicks" and graphical touches.
It'd be fun to hear what those who critisize it as "turning south" would like improved/changed/added.
Things I don't want to see in a Gran Turismo game:
1. Damage modelling. As long as it cannot be done close to perfect, leave it out. A few scratches, blown tyre and wonked steering is just annoying. Damage modelling should be subtle with enough variations so that you wouldn't even "feel" or see the damage, but it would subtly affect the cars performance (even on a longer term). Driving the car in a videogame is still more unresponsive than in real life, so you'll easier drive in the game in a way that would damage the car irl. When the driving experience is closer to realism in games, avoiding damage will be more intuitive, instead of just dodging the pixels.
Things I'd like to see added in a GT game.
1. Modelled interiors, so that you could view the car from inside in the "showroom" screen. Also modelled engine department etc... This will of course require (too) much work from the developer, and more powerful consoles than this gen. Maybe a QuickTime VR type presentation would suffice until then. Also an interior view during racing.
2. Variable weather and time of day during (longer) races.
3. Better AI. Though when (if) GT is playable on net, real players will replace the artificial intteligence drivers, though then things could even go worse than they are now.
4. A virtual workshop where you could actually use a simplish integrated 3D package to build new parts to your car (within limits, I would not want a "pimp my GT ride" game), and repair damaged parts.
5. Virtual cities with free roaming courses. There you would actually be encouraged to drive according to traffic regulations. If for example you drive through red traffic lights you would be fined, and after enough fines your in game driving licence would be taken away for a short period of time during which you would not be allowed to drive in any of the game modes
) cars, new tracks.Those are enough reasons for a GT upgrade, and I'm sure many will be happy with those, I know I'll be.
And anyway, how many innovative features can you add to a car driving game without turning it into a fantasy gadgety racing game. I already have my doubts of the b-spec mode as being too gimmicky.
GT series are mostly pure driving experience, I find it hard to imagine how they could change the basic concept much without turning it into something completely different, and not a GT game any more.
Edit: I can't think but just a couple of things they could add/improve in the GT series, and even those are not very critical to the gameplay (except one) but more just "nice gimmicks" and graphical touches.
It'd be fun to hear what those who critisize it as "turning south" would like improved/changed/added.
Things I don't want to see in a Gran Turismo game:
1. Damage modelling. As long as it cannot be done close to perfect, leave it out. A few scratches, blown tyre and wonked steering is just annoying. Damage modelling should be subtle with enough variations so that you wouldn't even "feel" or see the damage, but it would subtly affect the cars performance (even on a longer term). Driving the car in a videogame is still more unresponsive than in real life, so you'll easier drive in the game in a way that would damage the car irl. When the driving experience is closer to realism in games, avoiding damage will be more intuitive, instead of just dodging the pixels.
Things I'd like to see added in a GT game.
1. Modelled interiors, so that you could view the car from inside in the "showroom" screen. Also modelled engine department etc...
This will of course require (too) much work from the developer, and more powerful consoles than this gen. Maybe a QuickTime VR type presentation would suffice until then. Also an interior view during racing.2. Variable weather and time of day during (longer) races.
3. Better AI. Though when (if) GT is playable on net, real players will replace the artificial intteligence drivers, though then things could even go worse than they are now.
4. A virtual workshop where you could actually use a simplish integrated 3D package to build new parts to your car (within limits, I would not want a "pimp my GT ride" game), and repair damaged parts.
5. Virtual cities with free roaming courses. There you would actually be encouraged to drive according to traffic regulations. If for example you drive through red traffic lights you would be fined, and after enough fines your in game driving licence would be taken away for a short period of time during which you would not be allowed to drive in any of the game modes
Your starting to get out of hand . Stop the trolling . There was no reason why you posted what you did and it did not pertain to anything said in this thread.
jvd, are you serious (or just segafanboying). Have you tried GT3 with a good wheel?
You really haven't experienced GT until then.
You really haven't experienced GT until then.
GT4 is not just franchise-milking for some quick money. The effort to put it all together is pretty much second to none. There is so much content, cars, tracks, LANplay with 6 player, refined gameplay. I can't wait to get my hands on it ... this game will keep racing-game fans busy for a very long time.
Yes, GT games really are the most polished piece of game, imo.
I only have played GT3 and GT Concept extensively (GT3 still only about 70% completed, those endurance races are just too long for me), having just tried GT2 quickly, but it is obvious a lot of work has gone into making GT3 (and GT4) as perfect as they are in the areas that Polyphony have decided to put in the games.
Just the fact that they are not compromising on the stable 60 fps framerate for extra eyecandy so that their game would look better (marketable) in screenshots tells something.
I only have played GT3 and GT Concept extensively (GT3 still only about 70% completed, those endurance races are just too long for me), having just tried GT2 quickly, but it is obvious a lot of work has gone into making GT3 (and GT4) as perfect as they are in the areas that Polyphony have decided to put in the games.
Just the fact that they are not compromising on the stable 60 fps framerate for extra eyecandy so that their game would look better (marketable) in screenshots tells something.
I'm starting to get out of hand?? Give me a break!!! What r u gonna do, ban me?
You come out with stupid statements like "Oh it's crap there is no innovation", like you do with any non-Sega product, when really, when a game is going after total realism, all it will do is trying to get more and more realistic with each installment. Which i think we can agree GT4 does very well...
In the end, no matter what they do, it will never be as good to you as any non-Sony product.
Lack of innovation my ass, why don't you just try the game, play and enjoy for what it is and get over yourself?!
You come out with stupid statements like "Oh it's crap there is no innovation", like you do with any non-Sega product, when really, when a game is going after total realism, all it will do is trying to get more and more realistic with each installment. Which i think we can agree GT4 does very well...
In the end, no matter what they do, it will never be as good to you as any non-Sony product.
Lack of innovation my ass, why don't you just try the game, play and enjoy for what it is and get over yourself?!
You don't own a PSThreejvd said:
You mean you didn't bring one with you as you visited the year 2010 to see if your sex change had succeeded and if you and straight-turn london-boy had got married?I mean, if ever there was a franchise that although milked, remains the best in its category, that would be Gran Turismo. But obviously some people will just group it up with all the other sequels Sony happens to have. In the "Lack of innovation" pigeon-hole.
Obviously the same does not apply to Nintendo's truly milked to death 20-year-old franchises.
Obviously the same does not apply to Nintendo's truly milked to death 20-year-old franchises.
Back to GT4..
From what i've read about the Asian versions it seems a very good game, with some fundenmental flaws if you are a fan of the series
On the plus side you have many more cars, Better physics, better graphics, and more tracks including the Ring and Le Mans And for those with a HDTV 720p and 1080i "support".
But on the down side the AI is still pants, some people have even said it seems to be a step back from Prologue
DP seem to have limited the LAN and 2 player game in order to make the On-Line addition more of a must buy (either that or they must be a bit stupid). No customised or Garage Battle in 2 player or LAN. Only Split screen replays. So option to save stills from or the replays themselves from 2Player mode.
B Spec mode where you get to watch the crap AI instead of driving.
56 Skylines! 120+ of the cars are multiple versions of the same 5 or 6 Jap cars (Skylines, Evos, etc.)
It seems to me that instead of fixing the things that were out and out critised at the GT3 launch (the AI or lack of) they have spent time adding useless features like B-spec and Photo mode, while appearing to have done next to nothing about the AI.
Agreed the new cars and tracks are very welcome and the improved physics will be great, but the thought of entering hundreds more races with the same stupid AI that bumps you round the track and bounces off the barriers seems a bit too familiar
Also to think they have made the one area which would improve the life of the product (2 Player) *WORSE* I just don't understand?
I hope the PAL version fixes the 1 player problems but I doubt it will
Probably still buy it though, just to take the M3 CSL and the RUFs around the Ring
Probably still buy it just to
From what i've read about the Asian versions it seems a very good game, with some fundenmental flaws if you are a fan of the series
On the plus side you have many more cars, Better physics, better graphics, and more tracks including the Ring and Le Mans
And for those with a HDTV 720p and 1080i "support".But on the down side the AI is still pants, some people have even said it seems to be a step back from Prologue
DP seem to have limited the LAN and 2 player game in order to make the On-Line addition more of a must buy (either that or they must be a bit stupid). No customised or Garage Battle in 2 player or LAN. Only Split screen replays. So option to save stills from or the replays themselves from 2Player mode.
B Spec mode where you get to watch the crap AI instead of driving.
56 Skylines! 120+ of the cars are multiple versions of the same 5 or 6 Jap cars (Skylines, Evos, etc.)
It seems to me that instead of fixing the things that were out and out critised at the GT3 launch (the AI or lack of) they have spent time adding useless features like B-spec and Photo mode, while appearing to have done next to nothing about the AI.
Agreed the new cars and tracks are very welcome and the improved physics will be great, but the thought of entering hundreds more races with the same stupid AI that bumps you round the track and bounces off the barriers seems a bit too familiar
Also to think they have made the one area which would improve the life of the product (2 Player) *WORSE* I just don't understand?
I hope the PAL version fixes the 1 player problems but I doubt it will
Probably still buy it though, just to take the M3 CSL and the RUFs around the Ring
Probably still buy it just to
You too are not married yet, save your arguing for later.
jvd said:
Such as? I've only posted jokes to Teasy in the console forum lately... Other than that, please do try to find grounds to even argue banning me. I'd love to see that.rabidrabbit said:You don't own a PSThree
Hah you know what i meant . ps 2 .
I don't own one . I also don't care for the controller (it starts to hurt my hands after a few mins )
So when we do hang out and play on the ps2 we play gt3 . I use his wheel .
At home i have my saturn wheel from sega which is pretty good . Not the best wheel but not bad and my microsoft force feedback one which kinda sucks but i got it for free.
I use the saturn wheel on my dreamcast using a port changer . It works well and since i had 2 very expensive joysticks from my saturn i felt it was worth buying the adapters over complete new gear .
I don't care for the sloppy controlls , i don't feel they are tight enough .
I can't say about gt 4 . I'm talking gt3 here.
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