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[mech]

saying that the PSP is cheap for the quality of what it does is another story. it's not what the PSP does it's how well it does it.

See, you've completely misconstrued what I wrote, and are having a roundabout silly argument for the hell of it. Obviously when I wrote "what it does" I meant how well it does stuff.

where i live there is about a $20US difference between PSP and GBA games, and at least a $10 difference with DS games. you are either getting a great deal on PSP games, or someone has been ripping you off for years.

Welcome to the wonderful world of PAL territories. Gameboy games here cost between AU$60-80 - I paid AU$55 for Wipeout Pure DELIVERED from Canada.

AU$55 is really cheap for such great games.

$80 for a GBA game is outrageous.

 

[PC-Engine]

I payed more for my portable mp3 player that most definately carries less features than the PSP does...

anyway, you guys sure like to bitch around the same old issues over and over again. I think some of you are forgetting the times when the first GameBoy came out and how its battery faired. Then, you have the same old issues with the newer class mobile phones that pack in more and more features and better displays at the expense of battery life... As anywhere, technology comes at a cost, either in size, battery life or other factors. It's getting the balance right and in that aspect, I'd favour a PSP type unit over a Nintendo DS class any day, any time. 4 to 6 hours is very acceptable and seeing how it's selling, I figure I'm not in the minority.

I paid $175 for my 1GB flash MP3 player. I wouldn't want to spend that much just for a 1GB MS DUO itself. Not to mention my flash MP3 player is leagues above what PSP offers in terms of size, function, features.

As for the original GB, I believe it lasted 20+ hours on 4 alkalines.

 

[mech]

20+ hours on 4 AAs? In your dreams maybe!

It lasted about 8-10 hours... and if you used rechargeable batteries, it was more like 3. Less than the PSP, omg! Yet somehow I coped!

Comparing the price of dedicated MP3 players to the PSP is ridiculous, the MP3 playback on the PSP is just a bonus. $175 is a bit rich for a 1gig duo stick btw.

 

[see colon]

See, you've completely misconstrued what I wrote, and are having a roundabout silly argument for the hell of it. Obviously when I wrote "what it does" I meant how well it does stuff.

not to bicker, but when i wrote "is it?" i meant "is the PSP cheap for the things that it does". how well it does those things is another story. perhaps you misconstrued what i wrote. regardless, i'm tired of running in circles because we can't seam to communicate with eachother. no hard feelings i hope.

As for the original GB, I believe it lasted 20+ hours on 4 alkalines

i remember it being closer to 8-10 hours or so. IIRC it had a little over twice the life of a gamegear, and they lasted about 3-4 hours and that was with 6 AA's. with the light on of course, and you really couldn't see anything without it on.

 

[PC-Engine]

20+ hours on 4 AAs? In your dreams maybe!

It lasted about 8-10 hours... and if you used rechargeable batteries, it was more like 3. Less than the PSP, omg! Yet somehow I coped!

Comparing the price of dedicated MP3 players to the PSP is ridiculous, the MP3 playback on the PSP is just a bonus. $175 is a bit rich for a 1gig duo stick btw.

I'm not sure if I got that right or not but the orginal GB lasted a long time with alkalines. It wasn't designed back then to get lots of time with NiCads anyway, since NiCads has way lower capacity than today. Alkalines OTOH have about the same capacity as Alkalines 10 years ago.

My MP3 player has built-in FM, line in recording, voice recorder, not to mention awesome sound. I was just giving my 2 cents about PSP being a lot for your money which in reality it isn't since music and movie playback don't work out of the box.

 

[mech]

Funny, because music and video playback worked out of the box just fine for me.

 

[PC-Engine]

Funny, because music and video playback worked out of the box just fine for me.

How many MP3s at 320kbps can your 32MB MS DUO hold?

How many hours of MPEG4 can that MS DUO hold?

I rest my case.

 

[mech]

Funny, because music and video playback worked out of the box just fine for me.

How many MP3s at 320kbps can your 32MB MS DUO hold?

How many hours of MPEG4 can that MS DUO hold?

I rest my case.

Why are you bringing up 320kbps MP3s?

You rest what case? That because the 32mb duo that comes with the PSP doesn't hold that much data, "video and mp3" don't work out of the box?

Hey guess what PCE, none of my digital cameras have come with more than a 16mb flash card, I have to buy a bigger one myself - but it still takes photos "out of the box"!

Oh and hey, the DS doesn't come with any games - I guess it doesn't play games "out of the box".

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

 

[PC-Engine]

Funny, because music and video playback worked out of the box just fine for me.

How many MP3s at 320kbps can your 32MB MS DUO hold?

How many hours of MPEG4 can that MS DUO hold?

I rest my case.

Why are you bringing up 320kbps MP3s?

You rest what case? That because the 32mb duo that comes with the PSP doesn't hold that much data, "video and mp3" don't work out of the box?

Hey guess what PCE, none of my digital cameras have come with more than a 16mb flash card, I have to buy a bigger one myself - but it still takes photos "out of the box"!

Oh and hey, the DS doesn't come with any games - I guess it doesn't play games "out of the box".

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

Why 320kbps MP3s? Because that's the bitrate I use. I bet you use 8kbps just so you can argue that PSP with it's 32MB MS DUO can hold hundreds of songs.

Same with movies.

It's obvious you know what I meant but are scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to dodge the questions because you're fully aware that out of the box PSP can't do either of those two things to any useable degree. If it's useless then it's effectively non existent.

Keep trying to convince the rest of us though, I'm enjoying the comedy.

 

[mech]

Why 320kbps MP3s? Because that's the bitrate I use. I bet you use 8kbps just so you can argue that PSP with it's 32MB MS DUO can hold hundreds of songs.

You're trying to tell me video and MP3 playback doesn't work out of the box.

It does.

You then start bringing up 320kbps MP3s and how many you can fit on a 32mb memory stick duo.

It's fanboyism at its finest. What exactly are you trying to prove? "Oh noes, you need to buy some more storage to put MP3s and videos on" - so what? Doesn't mean video and mp3 playback don't work "out of the box". Many gadgets - PDAs, digital cameras, video cameras, etc - come with limited or no storage with them, the user has to buy their own. Would you argue their functionality is also broken "out of the box"?

What questions am I trying to dodge exactly? Rhetorical ones about how few MP3s and videos can fit on a 32mb memory stick?

 

[PC-Engine]

Why 320kbps MP3s? Because that's the bitrate I use. I bet you use 8kbps just so you can argue that PSP with it's 32MB MS DUO can hold hundreds of songs.

You're trying to tell me video and MP3 playback doesn't work out of the box.

It does.

You then start bringing up 320kbps MP3s and how many you can fit on a 32mb memory stick duo.

It's fanboyism at its finest. What exactly are you trying to prove? "Oh noes, you need to buy some more storage to put MP3s and videos on" - so what? Doesn't mean video and mp3 playback don't work "out of the box". Many gadgets - PDAs, digital cameras, video cameras, etc - come with limited or no storage with them, the user has to buy their own. Would you argue their functionality is also broken "out of the box"?

What questions am I trying to dodge exactly? Rhetorical ones about how few MP3s and videos can fit on a 32mb memory stick?

You're retreating/resorting to a semantics debate...keep dodging the real issue ie usability out of the box.

 

[mech]

Now who's dodging questions?

Many gadgets - PDAs, digital cameras, video cameras, etc - come with limited or no storage with them, the user has to buy their own. Would you argue their functionality is also broken "out of the box"?

 

[PC-Engine]

Now who's dodging questions?

Many gadgets - PDAs, digital cameras, video cameras, etc - come with limited or no storage with them, the user has to buy their own. Would you argue their functionality is also broken "out of the box"?

MP3 players don't require you to buy flash cards.

 

[mech]

Oh really?

 

[PC-Engine]

Oh really?

So you scramble to find exception to the rule to argue your iffy points. There's a phrase for that, it's called grasping at straws or scraping the bottom of the barrel .

Fact is 99.9% of flash MP3 players have the flash RAM built-in, no ifs or buts about this.

 

[mech]

Scramble? Because I pointed out that there are MP3 players that take external storage? Exception to the rule? Man, there are HEAPS of MP3 players that take SD Cards or various other flash memory types, and there always have been. Those were just two. People LIKE being able to upgrade their storage.

You still haven't answered my question. So are these MP3 players broken too?

 

[PC-Engine]

Read above. You're really desparate in hanging on to your sematics argument it seems. I guess you can't admit PSP with 32MB MSDUO isn't so great compared to 1GB flash MP3 players.

BTW the percentage of flash MP3 players that take external flash cards is like 0.1%. It's pretty clear why you're grasping at every last straw available to futily argue your iffy point.

PSP tanked as a MP3 player out of the box any way you want to spin it. Heck you can't even argue about sound quality since a 32MB MSDUO would need to hold 4kbps bitrate MP3s.

 

[mech]

Read above. You're really desparate in hanging on to your sematics argument it seems. I guess you can't admit PSP with 32MB MSDUO isn't so great compared to 1GB flash MP3 players.

Desperate in hanging on to my semantics debate? I don't think so. You've failed to adequately explain how you can say "music and movie playback don't work out of the box" when they both obviously do. Trying to back this up with "usability" arguments about the fact that you have to buy extra storage is riduculous - as I pointed out, most devices requiring extra storage require the user to buy a decent amount themself, and only come with token amounts. Again - would you say a digital camera "doesn't take photos out of the box" because it comes with an 8mb compact flash card?

And why are you suddenly bringing bizarre arguments like "I guess you can't admit PSP with 32MB MSDUO isn't so great compared to 1GB flash MP3 players"? If you want something that plays MP3s, a 1GB flash player is obviously a much better solution than a PSP with a 32mb card. If you just want something that plays MP3s, a flash memory based player is obviously going to be better. What's your point?

PSP tanked as a MP3 player out of the box any way you want to spin it. Heck you can't even argue about sound quality since a 32MB MSDUO would need to hold 4kbps bitrate MP3s.

You're talking as if the only memory storage it can hold is the 32Mb card.

I, like many other PSP users, bought it with a sizeable memory card, and can store hours of videos and MP3s on it. It has great sound quality (better than my iPod in fact) and it works just fine out of the box (with less faffing around than with an iPod no less). So how exactly has it "tanked"?

My PSP hasn't replaced my iPod, nor will it ever. But this isn't an argument about whether the PSP is better than a dedicated MP3 player, so I'm not sure why you turned it into one.

 

[Lazy8s]

mech:

Four pipelines and 166Mhz clockrate - what?

The PSP's costs are high for its level of performance. Four pipelines probably means the graphics chip's price (size) is high and power consumption is high.

 

[PC-Engine]

The point is my $175 1GB flash MP3 player can play MP3s out of the box. A $250 PSP cannot play 1GB worth of music out of the box. It can only play 32MB worth of music out of the box which is WORTHLESS. Nobody in this day and age buys 32MB flash MP3 players, NOBODY. Therefore your PSP is useless as an MP3 player out of the box until you buy a flash card. To equal the useability of my 1GB flash MP3 player you'd have to spend a buttload of money on a 1GB MSDUO that's not even factoring in the other conveniences of a flash MP3 player like mass storage device, FM reception, recording, portability, etc. In the end if you want to compare PSP to a 1GB MP3 player you have to add the cost of the 1GB MSDUO into the equation. Same with the movie playback feature. This is in response to that comment about getting more for your money when buying a PSP, which in reality you're not getting more for your money because you have to spend even more money to get those features to work as a comparable standalone music or movie device. Heck I can even buy a $100 portable DVD player with a 7" widescreen today that can playback any of the thousands of DVD titles on the market.