Oh and i expect every single one of these games to be a Windows 10 store exclusive along with being Dx12 only, MS is surely not doing this for charity or because they love PC gamers, they just want people to move to Windows 10 and will do anything for that to happen. Which is fine by me because i don't have too many problems with W10 (other than privacy issues).
Metal_Spirit
Regular
Yeah, laugh. Sony removed Linux and was sued for breaching a sales contract with buyers. I also see this as a change in contract and at least of people expectations for console features.
Metal_Spirit
Regular
I´m talking about this:
The part where it reads XBOX ONE EXCLUSIVE, and that it may have mislead many people into buying a console for it´s exclusivity (this is official from Microsoft).
WTF man, Sony placed a 1080p text on the Killzone back cover and got sued for it after an extensive analisys from Digital Foundry discover it was not true 1080p. And now several games sold as Xbox One exclusive go to PC, and you do not believe this will be cause for some people to place lawsuits?
I never said I agree with them or not, just that I wondered if this would not be the cause for lawsuits.
Metal_Spirit
Regular
I'm no lawyer, but I believe this could be considered to be a case of deceptive/false advertising. Even if unwilling this is no technicallity like the 1080p stuff, and this image was spread by some major websites.
If successful or not I do not know, but I think there are grounds for someone to try and fill one.
And GameSpot.
I don't disagree some might want a lawsuit (McDonalds was once sued because coffee is hot, nothing surprises me anymore).... but I'm saying it's nowhere near the same ballpark as removing a feature, because the user gets exactly the product promised.
To be fair, at best this is comparable to some exclusive claims ending up being timed exclusives, which have been done for years. It backfired only recently with TR.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
I´m talking about this:
The part where it reads XBOX ONE EXCLUSIVE, and that it may have mislead many people into buying a console for it´s exclusivity (this is official from Microsoft).
WTF man, Sony placed a 1080p text on the Killzone back cover and got sued for it after an extensive analisys from Digital Foundry discover it was not true 1080p. And now several games sold as Xbox One exclusive go to PC, and you do not believe this will be cause for some people to place lawsuits?
I never said I agree with them or not, just that I wondered if this would not be the cause for lawsuits.
It's still an XBO exclusive. Microsoft has always used exclusives to refer to both console exclusives (like Quantum Break, Mass Effect, Jade Empire, Alan Wake, etc.) and platform exclusives (like Forza) as well as timed exclusives.
People who don't understand that or don't want to understand that just want to believe what they want to believe regardless of the reality of the situation.
Not once has Microsoft ever stated that Quantum Break will never come to PC. The closest they have come is to say that their development is focused on bringing the best experience possible to XBO and that they have nothing to say about a possible PC version. Just because websites and fan(atics) have twisted their words into meaning it's only ever going to appear on XBO isn't Microsoft's fault.
Basically everyone knew it was coming to PC ever since it was first announced. Just most of us expected it to be a delayed released like Alan Wake.
Regards,
SB
Yeah like ps4 exclusive that also come to pc.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
And for those saying XBO is now just going to be the low cost gaming alternative to PC.
Ummm.
That's what all consoles are. PS4 and XBO are both low cost alternatives to PC gaming. Yes, they have some exclusives, just like PC has some exclusives. While each year the cost of a comparable hardware (not factoring in software) gaming experience decrease on PC, you still can't build a PC offering an equivalent hardware experience for the same cost as a console (you still have to factor in the cost of the OS since that is required for games to actually run).
People that would rather game on consoles are still going to be unwilling to game on PC. Exclusives that appear on both console and PC don't change that.
Consoles offer many things that PC's done. Low cost, ease of integration into living rooms, ease of maintenance, low power, etc. There's people that don't want to worry about needing the latest driver for X hardware component. Or can't afford a decent PC. Or want to game in the living room with something that looks like it fits in the living room. Yes you can build HTPCs, but that often drives the price up and requires you to build a PC. Especially if you want it to look like something that should be in your living room entertainment center and not get really loud while playing games.
So whether it's a platform exclusive or just a console exclusive (appearing on console and PC) doesn't change anything one bit.
Regards,
SB
Ummm.
That's what all consoles are. PS4 and XBO are both low cost alternatives to PC gaming. Yes, they have some exclusives, just like PC has some exclusives. While each year the cost of a comparable hardware (not factoring in software) gaming experience decrease on PC, you still can't build a PC offering an equivalent hardware experience for the same cost as a console (you still have to factor in the cost of the OS since that is required for games to actually run).
People that would rather game on consoles are still going to be unwilling to game on PC. Exclusives that appear on both console and PC don't change that.
Consoles offer many things that PC's done. Low cost, ease of integration into living rooms, ease of maintenance, low power, etc. There's people that don't want to worry about needing the latest driver for X hardware component. Or can't afford a decent PC. Or want to game in the living room with something that looks like it fits in the living room. Yes you can build HTPCs, but that often drives the price up and requires you to build a PC. Especially if you want it to look like something that should be in your living room entertainment center and not get really loud while playing games.
So whether it's a platform exclusive or just a console exclusive (appearing on console and PC) doesn't change anything one bit.
Regards,
SB
Silent_Buddha
Legend
And to address games being limited to the Windows Store, we'll have to see how that plays out.
Currently Microsoft offer all of their Windows games through Steam. Some games (like Halo: Spartan Ops) have a delayed release to steam, appearing in the Windows Store first.
It's no different from EA not distributing their games through Steam. What will be important is to see is whether you can buy those games digitally through Amazon or other retail outlets similar to Steam and EA's Origin. I'm going to guess that you will be. In which case it'll be no different from Steam or EA's Origin.
Regards,
SB
Currently Microsoft offer all of their Windows games through Steam. Some games (like Halo: Spartan Ops) have a delayed release to steam, appearing in the Windows Store first.
It's no different from EA not distributing their games through Steam. What will be important is to see is whether you can buy those games digitally through Amazon or other retail outlets similar to Steam and EA's Origin. I'm going to guess that you will be. In which case it'll be no different from Steam or EA's Origin.
Regards,
SB
Ike Turner
Veteran
if you are not targeting the same level of graphics as the consoles you can get away playing some of the same games (but not all) for less, also on the long run... you don't pay for Xbox Live or PSN, you don't have games and accessories tied to a hardware which becomes obsolete (example, controllers, old games), I can play every single PC game I ever owned on my current PC without extra cost, and it's a better machine for things other than gaming, I see PC as being a cheaper alternative, but it's also due to my country and how taxes, games and used hardware works,
but I think it's dangerous for Xbox to lose exclusive titles, they are already at a disadvantage compared to Sony, and I do believe exclusives are a big reason why people buy consoles (specially as a second or third platform), but MS is missing an opportunity by not being able to compete with Steam and Origin, if they have compelling "exclusive" games for the windows app store, things might start changing, so perhaps they think they have more to gain with it, also it can't hurt windows 10, I still see plenty of gamers with high end machines running windows 7.....
I understood & agreed generally with your post except for this last part. It does change one bit: focus. My concern is that MS has finite resources & that now focusing on 2 different platforms at the same could cause them to not give them their very best on the console platform. Phil & Aaron have been trying to ease console gamer's fears about this. Depending on the success of this new strategy MS may decide continued focus on the console platform may no longer be sensible. That's my fear. Will it happened? Probably not. But i do think MS will eventually treat console gamers as 2nd class citizens. Kinda a reversal of fortunes.
Tommy McClain
Microsoft is a software company that owns the most widely used gaming OS in the world, Windows. Previously they've made little to no money off of it. We'll see if they're able to attract more games to the Windows store. There's definitely a huge market available for games like Quantum Break and Forza on the PC, so at least Microsoft published games may have a bigger revenue overall, even if they somewhat cannibalize the console sales.
That will only happen if their game revenues for the windows store significantly outperform the console. I think that will take a long time, to be totally honest.
I believe their assumption is that people with good gaming PCs only play exclusives on the console. But not all people with good gaming PCs bother buying consoles. So they probably feel like if they can sell copies to everyone that has a good PC vs only the subset that also owns their console, they're ahead. People who don't have, want good gaming PCs will continue to buy consoles, and microsoft published games will still be exclusive to xbox.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Here's the thing. If it didn't happen like this, the Xbox division would likely eventually be cut out. Regardless of how well the XBO performed against the PS4.
Microsoft want to keep the Xbox division, that's clear.
Microsoft's investors want to get rid of the Xbox division. This sentiment grew even while X360 was basically tied with the PS3 and was pulling in profits.
When Ballmer was basically pushed out, the Microsoft Investors won. Microsoft needed a way to convince the investors that keeping the Xbox division is a good idea. Their way to go about that is to make Xbox part of the Windows ecosystem.
Basically what it comes down to. Xbox as an extension of Windows might keep the big money investors happy. Xbox as a pure gaming console isolated from Windows was fighting an uphill battle. If they didn't make this move, it becomes increasingly difficult for Microsoft to justify the existence of the Xbox division to their most influential shareholders.
Microsoft aren't the only ones that have to sometimes bend to the will of the shareholders.
Regards,
SB
I for one disagree with the concern trolling. There might be another piece to the larger puzzle that could one day find itself and all of this may make sense.
Even if it doesn't I still think it's the right move. You can't look at the negatives of losing console exclusives and not see the upside that PC games get in on that and these exclusives force developers to use an API that is much more effective than dx11.
I dunno about you, but I think it's time to start me up. MS you made a lot of grown men cry.
Even if it doesn't I still think it's the right move. You can't look at the negatives of losing console exclusives and not see the upside that PC games get in on that and these exclusives force developers to use an API that is much more effective than dx11.
I dunno about you, but I think it's time to start me up. MS you made a lot of grown men cry.
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