Onkl Bjorni
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I use these exact words as I'm smacking (read: beating) my couch...those words exactly
I will take a crack at beating him in a few days, just need to get my blood pressure down a bit first
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I will take a crack at beating him in a few days, just need to get my blood pressure down a bit first
This reasonably priced is going to be the death of me. Nothing like finally beating EVERYONE only to hit that damn bump on the last turn and !. I haven't been able to replicate that run at all. I hope I actually saved the replay. What I have noticed is that I can't get off the line faster than everyone but I can definitely take turn one tied or ahead of everyone its the s-curve that does me in and determines if I'm going to set a better time or not...GRRRR! I REALLY wish this thing kept track of your clean and dirty times!
By S curve do you mean the follow through, or Chicago (turn 2 on the straight before Hammerhead)?
Also, in terms of being slower off the line, are you using the clutch? Manual w/ Clutch is way, way faster off the line than normal Manual. I dropped several tenths just by making that switch.
For me the turn that always kills me is Hammerhead (although I've been known to dirty my lap on the last turn as well cutting the corner too close).
I don't know why but I can't really wrap my head around how to do Hammerhead right. In the last couple days I've cut 2 seconds off of my time, and all of it was either from getting Chicago exactly right or on the last two turns.
Also, in terms of being slower off the line, are you using the clutch? Manual w/ Clutch is way, way faster off the line than normal Manual. I dropped several tenths just by making that switch.
For me the turn that always kills me is Hammerhead (although I've been known to dirty my lap on the last turn as well cutting the corner too close).
I don't know why but I can't really wrap my head around how to do Hammerhead right. In the last couple days I've cut 2 seconds off of my time, and all of it was either from getting Chicago exactly right or on the last two turns.
Clearly you haven't been listening to me! I have no clue what you just said, lol, let me do some research. If the Chicago is what is doing me in well...that...would be QUITE unacceptable! Hell, the reason I even called it an s-curve is because we used to have this section of a bridge on lake shore drive that essentially killed someone every day (the s curve) as they would take the turns too fast. City finally rebuilt it years ago.
EDIT: TopGear site is awesome, so I definitely lose speed/grip on Chicago but I can still shift well enough that Arwin and Onkl are within reach but it is hammerhead that kills me downshifting to make the turn(s) doest work for me like it does in Crooner Curve which I can take very well. <---can't believe I just said all of that...damn this game!
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Onkl Bjorni
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Finally managed to sett a faster time then him in the "Time Attack Evolution challenge" in the HKS Lancer Evo
(but I was racing another rival so I guess he will not receive a rival challenge ) But atleaste I'm ahead on the leader board ;-)His other challenges I have just about given up on, his laps are just to perfect
:smile:
I am really enjoying this game. My times have been improving and in some cases -the Audi Rivals challenges, the Lexus one, and some others- I am like 2000-3000th something in the leaderboards. The thing is that I wouldn't be making those lap times if I didn't really enjoy the game.
I could manage to squeeze a half second or a second increase out of those times, but there is a "terminal speed" for me when taking a turn or also because of the fact that I don't get accustomed to the manual clutch -which, correctly used apparently improves your times- I could never get close to the people at the very top no matter what.
I downloaded the November pack, and I love driving the Lamborghini Aventador, the game suggested me some Rivals challenges and it was quite fun.
A little detail I loved is the fact that the Lamborghini Aventador displays the same time in the cockpit view as the time set in the system clock of the console. That's a really nice touch.
After Forza 4, I think that, finally, the series are closing the gap with sims like Gran Turismo and some others, as a serious contender for the top racing games ever made.
I would place this game at the top 5 racing games I've ever played, along with F-Zero, Mario Kart, The Need for Speed 1 & 3, and on my personal top 10 of best games ever, along with other modern games like FIFA 11, Oblivion, etc.
I could manage to squeeze a half second or a second increase out of those times, but there is a "terminal speed" for me when taking a turn or also because of the fact that I don't get accustomed to the manual clutch -which, correctly used apparently improves your times- I could never get close to the people at the very top no matter what.
I downloaded the November pack, and I love driving the Lamborghini Aventador, the game suggested me some Rivals challenges and it was quite fun.
A little detail I loved is the fact that the Lamborghini Aventador displays the same time in the cockpit view as the time set in the system clock of the console. That's a really nice touch.
After Forza 4, I think that, finally, the series are closing the gap with sims like Gran Turismo and some others, as a serious contender for the top racing games ever made.
I would place this game at the top 5 racing games I've ever played, along with F-Zero, Mario Kart, The Need for Speed 1 & 3, and on my personal top 10 of best games ever, along with other modern games like FIFA 11, Oblivion, etc.
We are enjoying it as well. My 7yo is good enough now that we are picking same class cars and I am using manual / sim steering w/o TCS, STC (he uses TCS, STC, ABS no autobreak, normal stearing, auto transmission) and we are pretty close--a lot of fun He will be beating me in the next couple years, I can see it now.
Btw, on shifting, how do you know when to shift? As close to the point the RPM begin to "stutter"? Is there some sort of rule ... it seems some cars are ok to shift sooner, others as late as possible.
I don't get it.
He will be beating me in the next couple years, I can see it now.Btw, on shifting, how do you know when to shift? As close to the point the RPM begin to "stutter"? Is there some sort of rule ... it seems some cars are ok to shift sooner, others as late as possible.
I don't get it.
He seems to have the potential to beat you, but you have on your side that since he is your son, it basically translates to stability of the genetic structure. :smile: And maybe he will progress at your pace.We are enjoying it as well. My 7yo is good enough now that we are picking same class cars and I am using manual / sim steering w/o TCS, STC (he uses TCS, STC, ABS no autobreak, normal stearing, auto transmission) and we are pretty close--a lot of fun
Btw, on shifting, how do you know when to shift? As close to the point the RPM begin to "stutter"? Is there some sort of rule ... it seems some cars are ok to shift sooner, others as late as possible.
I don't get it.
As for shifting, it depends on the situation. The easy response (and in general) would be just after the red line, or when the needle reaches red -or is about to reach the rev limiter- but it can be more complex than that.
You can also shift gears just listening to the engine, because at some point it will tell you when it's time to change gears without ever needing to check the tachometer. I do that sometimes because I am looking somewhere else.
In some cases and with some cars it might be better to shift gears before redline, because in those particular cases you can come out of the turn faster, by maintaining a higher level of traction shifting a bit below the redline.
Downshifting should be done generally before a corner and when you straighten out, especially in high-end cars if you aren't using TCS os Stability Control, where it is always a bad idea mid turn. Correctly downshifting before a turn helps you to come out of the corner like a bat out of hell. You can progressively accelerate mid turn and in most cases it helps you to make better times.
Reaching the rev limiter won't make you gain speed, you will be over-revving your car and you will be losing power in most cases, so try to avoid it and switch before the needle gets there. It can help in some situations but I can't explain it properly.
If you are really into racing games or take it very seriously then it becomes more complex, because you need to know the car/s you are driving very well. When I was into racing games, quite a few years ago, I remember writing a very small guide to understand telemetry and stuff -nowadays I barely take a look at telemetry-. But well, the "perfect" way to shift and make the most out of your car engine's power, is switching gears so that the power the engine of your car is outputting is matched when you select the next gear.
For example let's say that the engine is outputting 300hp in 4th gear. When you shift to 5th, you will want the power to remain at 300hp. If you can manage to do this successfully you will be squeezing every last bit of power out of the engine.
It sure can make a significant difference and helps you to be at an advantage. But this isn't something I would recommend to even try if you just want to enjoy the game as it is, (which at least for you and me seems to be very enjoyable) or drive the car like in real life, where you don't have telemetry to work with, except if you are a professional driver, of course. Watching replays of expert people and top players can help you a lot, too,
Thanks, that is very helpful. It seems I am doing it right because I was playing with shifting as you mentioned. One habit I have already formed, more of a crutch I need to break, is I am ok with my throttle but I tend to jam it at times a little too hard on racing cars, and my crutch is I have found that instead of say, downshifting from 5th to a high rev-ing 3rd, to downshift only to 4th knowing I will catch it a little low BUT I don't get all squirly and can often catch a better line than I get even with an auto. Not that this is probably the best habit -- having finer control on my throttle would be best.
I played a bit of GT1/2 way back and used to have fun with the Papyrus products on the PC but I was never really hardcore. I kindofsortofreally sucked at FM2, got a bit better with FM3, and already see how the Rivals mode has made me even better--I have definately enjoyed the FM series a lot. Oddly, I find that some of the old GT features (like driving tests for certain corners and such) and Toca (which had tires that could burst, accel. tire wear and fuel usage, # pit stops required before the end of a race, etc) are missed, as well as some of the old FM features (drag racing in split screen, sl) but overall I am really happy with FM4.
I played a bit of GT1/2 way back and used to have fun with the Papyrus products on the PC but I was never really hardcore. I kindofsortofreally sucked at FM2, got a bit better with FM3, and already see how the Rivals mode has made me even better--I have definately enjoyed the FM series a lot. Oddly, I find that some of the old GT features (like driving tests for certain corners and such) and Toca (which had tires that could burst, accel. tire wear and fuel usage, # pit stops required before the end of a race, etc) are missed, as well as some of the old FM features (drag racing in split screen, sl) but overall I am really happy with FM4.
Cars have an optimal peak output and torque, usually at different RPMs. You should be able to find those stats somewhere online, or in the game. This does not have to be at the redline, but it often is. I know from some challenges we did in GT5 that I think for instance an Impreza could accellerate faster shifting around 5000rpm, quite a bit before the redline. And Diesel cars have a much more even power distribution.
Equally important is knowing when not shifting is faster, as esp slower cars lose speed while shifting.
Most cars should also brake faster if you move down the gears while you brake, keeping engine resistance higher.
Equally important is knowing when not shifting is faster, as esp slower cars lose speed while shifting.
Most cars should also brake faster if you move down the gears while you brake, keeping engine resistance higher.
I highly suggest watching some of the faster times to see how they do Hammerhead. To really do it fast, you have to cheat the turn a bit.
A few things you should be paying attention to:
- This turn is really two turns. A slight left and a hard right, and you should treat it that way. You need to brake down to about 40-45 before making the left, then brake again down to about 30 to make the right. Done this way, you can start breaking just barely past the 50m sign and still make the turn. If you want to do all of your braking in one go, you'll need to hit the brakes slightly before the sign.
- Most of the cones around this turn are not out of bounds. As a result, you can clip a couple cones on the inside of the right turn and not dirty your lap.
- You have more space on the exit of this turn than you think. When making this turn, it's critical that you keep your eyes on the left hand side of the straight past the turn, not on the edge of the turn itself. If you don't have your eyes down the road, you'll almost certainly take the turn too tight. Ideally, you should be hugging the left side of the track on the straight as you exit the turn.
Like I said though, watch a few people's laps. Just keep the above in mind and it might help you get a clearer sense of exactly what they're doing as they go around.
Well, I've been playing the game for a while and these are some of my findings. I am level 54 now.
- I am in love with the sound of the 2010 Saleen S5S Raptor
- One of my unicorn cars, I mean, one of my favourite cars ever is the Viper RT/10. I always found it so beautiful with those curves
- So I purchased some Dodge cars, until I found this one car I can't stop driving. Thankfully I can play most of Career Mode with this car because I truly love it.
- The car is the 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR. One of the noblest cars in the game, by a long shot. I play with assists off and this car has everything: superb handling, excellent braking, very noble reactions. Amazing car.
- Another very noble car is the Lamborghini Countach LP5000 QV.
- Those cars are rare, as Arwin said, the reactions of most of the cars tend, in general, to certain instability. The 2008 Viper SRT10 is like the exception to the rule. I own with this car in Rivals mode.
- I don't tune the cars, I like them stock, so the fact that it's so drivable at stock settings and it's a variation of the original so good-looking Viper makes this car the one I am going to use most of the time.
- My affinity with Audi and Dodge is very high. I also like the Lexus LFA a lot, more because of the aesthetics, engine,,, It's also a fine car to drive. :smile:
Here is a photo of the Viper
- I am in love with the sound of the 2010 Saleen S5S Raptor
- One of my unicorn cars, I mean, one of my favourite cars ever is the Viper RT/10. I always found it so beautiful with those curves
- So I purchased some Dodge cars, until I found this one car I can't stop driving. Thankfully I can play most of Career Mode with this car because I truly love it.
- The car is the 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR. One of the noblest cars in the game, by a long shot. I play with assists off and this car has everything: superb handling, excellent braking, very noble reactions. Amazing car.
- Another very noble car is the Lamborghini Countach LP5000 QV.
- Those cars are rare, as Arwin said, the reactions of most of the cars tend, in general, to certain instability. The 2008 Viper SRT10 is like the exception to the rule. I own with this car in Rivals mode.
- I don't tune the cars, I like them stock, so the fact that it's so drivable at stock settings and it's a variation of the original so good-looking Viper makes this car the one I am going to use most of the time.
- My affinity with Audi and Dodge is very high. I also like the Lexus LFA a lot, more because of the aesthetics, engine,,, It's also a fine car to drive. :smile:
Here is a photo of the Viper
I forgot to mention that I've been playing Need for Speed Hot Pursuit, the other day, most specifically, for about an hour, and the graphics looked to me so poor in comparison...
Graphically wise Forza 4 would be like a PS3/360 and NFS HP would be an Atari 2600 console.
Seriously, despite running at native 720p + AAx2, NFS HP looks very pixelated to me, as if they applied a grainy filter, affecting both the cars models and the environments.
It was really off putting. Forza 4 looks so pristine and sharp that I can't imagine a better looking racing game this generation, on the 360.
Graphically wise Forza 4 would be like a PS3/360 and NFS HP would be an Atari 2600 console.
Seriously, despite running at native 720p + AAx2, NFS HP looks very pixelated to me, as if they applied a grainy filter, affecting both the cars models and the environments.
It was really off putting. Forza 4 looks so pristine and sharp that I can't imagine a better looking racing game this generation, on the 360.
I am into Skyrim right now, too. And I don't see myself going back to Forza 4 anytime soon. However, a very short race in Rivals mode from time to time is something I am ok with.I've had very little free time over the last month, due to a combination of work + colds and getting used to some medication I'm taking. Additionally, any time I've had has gone into skyrim.
I will get back to forza eventually though
That's how I discovered the Viper and how great it is. I had like 8 S class cars and tried them all in a Rivals challenge. Oddly enough the Viper was the last one I tried.
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