just curious Shifty, as to what appeals to you; what three and what twelve (or so) have you interested?
EU PS3 = Software PS2 Emulation
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just curious Shifty, as to what appeals to you; what three and what twelve (or so) have you interested?
That's a pretty good value proposition considering:
US
$460 20gb 360 w/pack
$600 60gb ps3
$250 Wii w/pack (seems a bit high in comparison but not much)
How do these seem to be selling in your area?
Apparantly 350euros for a premium with gears is available...
When looking at the comparison I was speaking from a launch perspective. At launch (which was ~simultaneous with Nintendo and MS) they seemed to have ~the same titles available in all regions within a month.
PS3 has a larger launch library as the system has been available elsewhere for months.
You disagree with the assertion that both MS and Nintendo have done a much better job this gen with treating EU equal to the rest of the world?
I asked this too and am curious what tickles Shifty's fancy.
not me :smile: would anyone believe me if i never had a ps2 in my life???
Toms Hardware seem to have misreported the PS3 cutbacks to include the removal of motion sensing in the Europe PS3....
Where is the pricing argument coming from?
I did not say, "ps3 is too expensive in EU, you guys should boycott."
I said if EU gamers feel disrespected by Sony's actions, do something about it.
That is not an official offer. It's a retailer offer, so it's not a reflection on 'how MS is treating Europe'. The official price is €399. Here in my country, it's higher, thanks to higher VAT etc., just as Wii is higher (€269, without Wii Play btw), and PS3 will be.
In terms of timing, and having (in MS's cases, equally bad) BC, they have. On the BC issue, equality should be reinforced in the not too distant future when other territories suddenly see EE/GS-less PS3s appearing on shelves. It's unfortunate timing for Europe, but you can bet your bottom dollar that Sony is not discriminating between regions with new PS3s now.
And to backtrack, in this discussion of Europe and 'how poorly' Sony has treated Europe etc., the history that is there seems to be ignored completely. Beyond launch timings etc., in terms of honestly more important and lasting issues such as development, content and marketing, Sony has paid a lot more specific attention to Europe to date than either of the other two, by quite some margin. That stuff matters more in the long run. Europeans aren't stupid because Playstation is popular here - it's because it has served them very well, and also in a more 'localised way' than other systems (if I can put it that way).
The EU gamers that feel that a tipping point has been reached, will. I think that simply goes without saying.
Anyway we should try to steer this thread back to the B/C issue itself. I personally wonder what the various facets of emulation that have fallen short are, with respect to whatever titles render in a method that precludes them from being lumped into what I'm sure are the many various catch-all frameworks that have been developed. I remember a couple of discussions here in thepast on what the "worst-case" emulation scenarios would be, but alas forget what they were.
The EU gamers that feel that a tipping point has been reached, will. I think that simply goes without saying.
I am finally wavering as to whether I have reached the tipping point, balancing up whether to invest in a HD Tv for my xbox (which was only supposed to tide me over till ps3) and wait till ps3 is cheaper or buy the frickin sony device now.
just my 2p
I wonder if there is more behind this decision, beside the obvious point there will be fewer components, which reduces the BOM.
One thing that came to my mind is that there will be one less hardware revision (PAL with BC through EE+GS) to support in all future firmware upgrades.
Obviously even the BC achieved in the NTSC version using the EE+GS chip set was not a walk in the park, there were many reports of issues in the image and sound. Perhaps they decided that it was not worth the pain to go through the same procedure for the PAL region considering it would be an even more short-lived revision than the NTSC launch revision.
From that POV their behaviour would be more understandable, though it sucks from my POV. How much it sucks depend on which games they will offer BC for, I guess we just have to wait and see.
One thing that came to my mind is that there will be one less hardware revision (PAL with BC through EE+GS) to support in all future firmware upgrades.
Obviously even the BC achieved in the NTSC version using the EE+GS chip set was not a walk in the park, there were many reports of issues in the image and sound. Perhaps they decided that it was not worth the pain to go through the same procedure for the PAL region considering it would be an even more short-lived revision than the NTSC launch revision.
From that POV their behaviour would be more understandable, though it sucks from my POV. How much it sucks depend on which games they will offer BC for, I guess we just have to wait and see.
Hey, you won't hear me try to dissuade you - I've said B/C is important in my book, so I'm right there with you. Honestly if it were me, I'd just weight the games on PS3 I wanted to play vs the games on PS2 I still want to play, and see if the B/C list covers them. The list of course will be revealed at launch, which in my book is unfortunate. But I don't think anyone ever suffers from differing their purchase decision in order to think on it a little more; always better to err on the side of caution.
Interesting - this helps explain a few things. Thanks for the insight Titanio!
It's tough to get a fair view of PS in EU from my point of view (in the states) without such insight.
So long story short, Sony marketing in EU is still rocking, hence the fanbase may be unhappy about a few things but it's sorta like me being unhappy about gas prices... sorta.
I'd say as "full" as it would ever be - I don't expect much if any legacy PS2 componentry to be left in the mix after this.
You're behind the curve in pointing this out, I assure you.
Well, it's not just marketing. Content, retail (others are catching up here), and marketing. And I'm not presenting a comprehensive explanation of Sony's success. I'm just pushed to mention the things Sony does RIGHT in Europe relative to the competition when people characterise Europe as some kind of abused spouse that irrationally sticks to their product. Yes, Sony has lagged MS and Nintendo in some respects with the handling of the PS3 launch in terms of equal treatment with the rest of the world, but in perhaps less externally obvious ways they've been a lot more progressive, and in ways that probably matter more over the lifetime of a particular product.
Anyway, this is OT, so I shall say no more.
Is that your gut feeling, or do you have some hard data to support that?
I mean Sony could have a new custom SouthBridge with some special BC logic emulating some of the EE-GS functionality.