EU PS3 = Software PS2 Emulation
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I haven't bought an HDTV yet. But the fact that i'm planning on buying an HDTV and PS3 together just makes this all the more touchy as i will not just be paying 800+ USD i will be paying
2000+ USD as i want to experience it in HD
So when spending that kinda cash on something you want what was promised, no excuses.
And if you downgrade one thing you better make up for it with something way better.
And the firmware update coming doesn't count as whats being released has also already been promised .
There's no respect at all for their EU consumers.
So why don't you EU guys do something about it. Buy a Wii or a xb360. Hold out on a ps3 purchase till a significant price drop. ...Something.
As I stated earlier in this thread, N and MS have treated you EU guys pretty fairly* from what I've seen. By ignoring* their efforts and continuing your ps purchasing behavior hot on the heels of a smack in the face* is to simply state* "thank you sir, may I have another".
*relatively speaking
Same as elsewhere. There's HD channels over satellite and cable, though at quite a hefty price (£300). There's HD movies, with a limited number of options on players. HD DVD seems to only be the Toshiba HD-E1 player at about £330, or XB360's HDDVD drive which is impossible to find anywhere. The only BRD player I can find with an internet search is the Samsung at Argos for £700. HD gaming is XB360. So you're looking at about £300 for the premium (and you'd be a chump to buy the core!). For HD games and movies, it's either £400 for XB360+HD DVD, or PS3 for £425. Not much in it. And as you can see, the price of HD is very high. Add in an HDTV, and you're spending a minimum of $3000
Well they do. Those that care don't buy the product. Those that do buy the product don't care about the pricing.
You don't buy a product just because the company that produces that product is fair (yeah, right. Do you know what the prices of their consoles are over here?). You buy it because you want it. If someone wants a PS3 for HD gaming and BRD playback, buying a Wii isn't a fair substitute. These consoles are independent choices. They aren't freely interchangeable in the same way a car is. Your choice ties you in to certain games, movie formats, services, and so forth. Of the content you want is only on one platform, you either buy that platform or not. Buying an alternative means you get the content you didn't want. It's like, you want the Movie Channels from Sky. You find they cost $15 more per month in the UK than in the US. You don't go and buy the Knowledge Mix instead just because that one is fairly priced.
For some people, all they want are games, and don't care particularly. They're happy to play any and all consoles. For others, there's specific content they're after, and there isn't a choice. For others, there's particular features like Linux. Or the choice for BluRay's movie library over HD DVDs. The competition isn't a comfortable substitute on the whole. For myself, I've seen perhaps 3 titles for XB360 that interest me, and seen nearer a dozen that appeal to me on PS3 ignoring the other features that I like. It'd be daft for me to snub PS3 and get an XB360. Of course in my case it doesn't matter, as i was never going to buy a PS3 at launch, or at full price, anyway
The "conversion" of straight Dollar amounts to Euro amounts is done equally by the three console players, so the idea of Sony being particularly unfair to Euro-land with the price, even "relatively speaking", is wrong. It's all the same.
I already have a Wii. Paid the official 250€ for it, plus 60€ for Zelda, plus 60€ for Red Steel. Normal day-to-day operations.
For myself, I've seen perhaps 3 titles for XB360 that interest me, and seen nearer a dozen that appeal to me on PS3 ignoring the other features that I like. It'd be daft for me to snub PS3 and get an XB360. Of course in my case it doesn't matter, as i was never going to buy a PS3 at launch, or at full price, anyway
Agreed, only a fool would ignore a platform that is appealing to them. However delaying a purchase (as you plan) in mass could send a pretty powerful message and get your ps3 all the same.
Curious though what titles your speaking of that appeal to you on xb360 and ps3?
European pricing also includes the ~20% tax paid in the list, whereas US pricing does not. A very appreciable part of the price differential is the VAT. European pricing actually isn't all that bad at all; it's the UK and Oceana that pay the price.
Also, as a side note, European pricing should be normalized against the yen rather than the dollar, and then converted to dollars if that's our universal metric. Sony is not an American company, and putting everything in dollars without first normalizing to the yen really doesn't paint any sort of a picture that is of use.
Also, as a side note, European pricing should be normalized against the yen rather than the dollar, and then converted to dollars if that's our universal metric. Sony is not an American company, and putting everything in dollars without first normalizing to the yen really doesn't paint any sort of a picture that is of use.
My post wasn't speaking of relative pricing of ps3. EU includes VAT conversion rate etc etc however from what I recall xb360 was priced fairly low there, considering. Wii I have no idea on.
I was speaking purely on the basis of respect in the form of actions. MS and N seem to be doing their best to woo the EU market. Even though it is difficult to launch at the same time across so many countries given language, cultural and political barriers, both MS and N did it. From what I recall also, both of them considered the Euro conversion rate and adjusted their price prior to launch which was not the case last gen from any maker. They also seemed to make a greater effort in Games library available at or near launch.
Despite all this, Sony seemingly continues to not make the effort in the EU region but to no avail.
As someone else in this thread stated it almost seems they are trying to not sell well in EU for some reason.
I recently bought 4 PS2 games which I was looking forward to soon play on a more quiet console, I guess I have to buy a PSTwo now.
DuckThor Evil
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Well in Finland the 60GB PS3 is 650€ or more in some places, in contrast you can get X360 premium with Gears of War for 369€. Though I'm fairly confident that some stores that don't get their shipments from the official importer are going to sell the PS3 for 599€, but in most stores it will be 650 or more...
That's what I thought was going on there price wise. How much is the:
premium without a bundle
core without bundle
wii without bundle
The only valid thing in you blurp is BC.
It doesn't take much recalling - if you look up the launch pricing it goes exactly like this:
US Wii - 249 US, European Wii - 249 Euro
US 360 - 399 US, European 360 - 399 Euro
US PS3 - 599 US, European 360 - 599 Euro
I know you're on this seeming crusade to understand consumer behavior and shopping habits ChefO, but seriously I think sometimes you see what you want to see rather than what's plainly in front of all of our faces. Believe me, neither Nitnendo or Microsoft is a charity compared to Sony. I'll also restate that I think all of the above prices are 'fair.' It's the UK and Oceana where the pain is felt.
Not my fault that Finland has an above-average VAT rate and/or weaker distribution network!
(jk)The 360 pricing, which I think is very good, is of course along the lines of Japan-territory-esque penetration efforts, as that's below US pricing at that point.
DuckThor Evil
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That's what I thought was going on there price wise. How much is the:
premium without a bundle
core without bundle
wii without bundle
Actually I just found Gears premiun bundle for 349€...
Lowest Core I have seen has been 279€, so Premiun is definately the way to go here.
Wii is pretty much 269€ everywhere, but it comes with Wii play, it's not sold as standalone here.
Not my fault that Finland has an above-average VAT rate and/or weaker distribution network!
yeah almost everything costs here a fortune (you might have been kidding, but you also said the truth), but Finland is not the only country that is paying higher than 599€ for PS3. And it's not just Finland and UK either.
Is that the current pricing structure?
I am hardly trying to paint anyone as a saint. However their (N&MS) efforts to capture marketshare in EU seem to fall on deaf ears only to be drown by the sounds of angry PS gamers ... again.
I'm in agreement with Carl here. The Euro prices aren't that bad. Especially when, at the time they were announced, the dollar was a bit stronger and the conversions not so drastic.
I disagree with that. Wii's selection of titles isn't stellar. XB360 took a while to introduce interesting titles. I'd say Sony are actually quite strong in that respect. They've got a selection of titles, 30 games, including a hige range of prices with PSN downloads alongside full-price games. There's also a major OS updated expected. Overall there's not a huge amount in it in terms of fair treatment. It's just on top of the usual price-hike, they also pull out a negative hardware revision (given no info that mitigates that, like hardware benefits). Think of it as Sony getting an extra -10% reputation over and above the usual negative reputation all companies get!
Like what? Deal with thenm individually. Nintendo's doing nothing to woo gamers relative to elsewhere. And they don't need to - they're selling out. MS isn't pulling out any real stops. They haven't dropped the price in Europe to encourage uptake or anything. They're introducing more services in the US like internet TV, with no plans announced for Europe. Europe remains the international after-thought. No company is actively taking steps to make everyone here feel appreciated. It might help if MS made sure their demo-kiosks were turned on once in a while...