EU PS3 = Software PS2 Emulation

if ps2 games are running in software does that mean they can put 4xFSAA???

 

Why is it irrational? I know it has the technology and the features and I know that Sony can deliver.

Its not like I am supporting a half dead console like what Saturn was

 

Well for me the good things to come is an added bonus to a free online service that will provide me with free demos of games (and maybe even sell them) and the best and cheapest BluRay player on the planet. Personally i´m more on the "no way will i help Microsoft gain yet another monopoly" so anyone that isn´t Microsoft will see my money. When the 360 has run its course i will purchase it and add it to my console collection.

 

Sounds like he/she is full of it. PS3 devkits (or test/debug kits) don't allow playback of PS1/PS2 titles..

Dean

 

A purchase decision is typically made based on functional, emotion and economical factors (Imagine this triangle). So as long as you can afford USD499/599 (in US), and it does what you want, you can buy any console you fancy

To put things in perspective, the console does not cost you an arm, a leg or a Ferrari you know. I bought HiFi components for at least twice the price for doing just 1 thing (not as well), or stuff at half the price but doesn't deliver as much satisfaction.

EDIT:
You'll have to make your own decision, but mine is a "thought-through" purchase

 

So what happens now? Why is it that they are taking away the hardware for BC?

Is it because they've got a proper scaler chip included?

And what about the sound outputs?

 

Surely they have to produce some form of devkit that B/C can be tested on?

 

Why would any PS3 dev worry about BC?

 

As some of you might know, i've been terribly busy lately so i really don't have time to go through 10 pages of thread.... So apologies if this question has been answered already, but does this mean that EU PS3s don't have EE and GS? If so, price should drop much sooner than expected... Same is valid for other territories i guess...

 

to save money. Removing those chips saves perhaps $25 per machine sold. It has no other impact on the machine, and has nothing to do with scaling or audio (unless Sony did some totally mental design here!)

As for FFXII at 720p, a partial mitigating factor for Sony might be delivering an excellent BC experience on a lot of key titles with fancy extras. If FFXII, GOW2, Rogue Galaxy, Okami, and all the games we haven't got yet that the rest of the world has got - the ones people will mostly want to play on PS3 because they're getting rid of PS2 to make room for the new machine, then it won't be missed. The example pic certainly looks to be upscaled rather than a native 720p render, so it doesn't point to any particular benefits, though the scaling quality is good. Of course, the PS3's with the hardware BC also get the software BC, so presumably have the best of both worlds.

 

Pretty much a certainty. That's the only hardware they could sensibly remove.

The 65nm reduction would be the key place for cost reductions to come. My guessis price will remain what it is to milk early sales at great profitability (or rather, less loss!), with the price reduction happening when sales drop below a threshold amount. A price drop this year wouldn't be out of the question.

 

What i expected then

PS3 will definitely drop in price before Xmas. This and the 65nm shrink only threngthens the theory. Besides, we all know that my theories and predictions are fact.

 

One question would be would current PS3s be able to take advantage of such improvements to emulation ?

 

If that's all you wanted to say, here's the canonical answer:
E3 2006 was nine months ago. Everybody knows the official price of the PS3. Everybody has discussed the official price of the PS3 multiple times, at varying -- sometimes lenghtly -- length. So duh! Can you please get over it already. And no, the PS3's price did not increase with the new info we are discussing in this thread here. Your topic is old. If you feel like going through it again, select one of the fifty existing threads on the topic and try reviving it.

I think "Jesus Christ on a bike!" is an acceptable, not too offensive way of saying "bullshit" that the Brits will understand.

 

Presumably so. Assuming no extra hardware is being added to the new machines, emulation is entirely on Cell and RSX. That was an intention of KK's who said the PS3 hardware is powerful enough to emulate PS2 entirely in software. Presumably in the vaunted OS upgrade, emulation is shifted to software only. Those with EE+GS will likely have the option to use either method. If not, people playing existing BC games might find they stop working on PS3 with the update, which will make them and to internet forums to

 

Posts like this makes me a sad panda, despite the company that get's the fist.

 

Those PS3s better be able to play PS3 games !

 

I'm still not convinced that it's possible. The eDRAM at least would need to be physically in the box somewhere IMO.
Someone will just have to make that sacrifice to humanity and rip the new revision apart.

 

Yeah i guess we will have to wait till someone rips a PAL PS3 apart...

 

Yes, of course. But I'd expect access to B/C functionality on devkits to be restricted to those working on the project in the appropriate R&D groups (or in compatibility QA). The poster quoted from Eurogamer (Pirotic) has his occupation listed as a freelance programmer working on stuff for websites, so I think that probably excludes him.

Dean