Don't really deny that, but at some point given the complexity of the making the whole package, ie the renderer, tools, art pipeline, etc, it may just become cheaper and/or more beneficial for people to ditch creating/supporting all that in house and just go with middleware. Why would a publisher bother supporting multiple technologies across multiple teams/ips/games when a package like Crytek offers can do it all, and be cutting edge with realtime gi as a bonus. That would even unify all the teams on the same toolset which would make shifting talent across projects far easier if the renderer/tools/art pipeline was all unified. In the old days that meant compromise, but with Crytek and Frosbite being at the cutting edge of basically all tech out there it's no longer the case.
Engines for Multi-platform development !
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Don't really deny that, but at some point given the complexity of the making the whole package, ie the renderer, tools, art pipeline, etc, it may just become cheaper and/or more beneficial for people to ditch creating/supporting all that in house and just go with middleware. Why would a publisher bother supporting multiple technologies across multiple teams/ips/games when a package like Crytek offers can do it all, and be cutting edge with realtime gi as a bonus. That would even unify all the teams on the same toolset which would make shifting talent across projects far easier if the renderer/tools/art pipeline was all unified. In the old days that meant compromise, but with Crytek and Frosbite being at the cutting edge of basically all tech out there it's no longer the case.
Lucid_Dreamer
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Does anyone have the presentation from the new PhyreEngine 3.0 showing? It happened March 2. There is suppose to be a new take on MLAA and a SPU based particle system that use to run on the GPU.
Supposedly, there are over 45 games that use the engine.
http://directtovideo.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/come-see-me-talk-at-gdc-2011/
Supposedly, there are over 45 games that use the engine.
http://directtovideo.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/come-see-me-talk-at-gdc-2011/
Why would they use the Cryengine when they develop their own engine?
The Phyreengine isn't multi-plat, unless your counting PS3, NGP, and PC development as multi-plat (which it is).
Also you'll probably find the answer to this in the GDC or tech presentations threads before you find it here.
archangelmorph
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You are aware you just refuted your own statement all-in-one right..?
Yeah yeah, it was more of a thinking as I type along post
When I first started typing I was originally thinking it wasn't a multi-plat engine, then the three platforms I listed came to mind lolShould have deleted and edited my post before submitting, but eh don't really care to.
New pics showing some real-time sceneries running on CryEngine 3. I can't say which is my favourite, all look awesome.
http://www.eurogamer.es/gallery.php?game_id=&article_id=1336421
I wonder if RDR could run on the engine.
http://www.eurogamer.es/gallery.php?game_id=&article_id=1336421
I wonder if RDR could run on the engine.
But it was made under the supervision of Techland, ok????!
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/.../ss_preview_0005_cry_5.jpg.jpg?slideshow=true
You could put that on a post card.
L. Scofield
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Love this engine
RenegadeRocks
Legend
Yup ! The presentations og GT are really cool too ! But we need to see how all that stuff looks on the consoles before going g-ga over it. The engine is wonderful, but they are targetting the consoles with it. All we see is mighty PC stuff.
RenegadeRocks
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Yes pls. I am also more interested in that ! Any links or info on what exactly they showed there ?
Normally on summer a similar "UDK" version of the Cryengine 3 will arrive, so may be it's to late for your project, depend of how you are in. Actually for a independant/amateurish project, I'm thinking that Unity and UDK are a good start. With both, you have a good communities support and can target all the market, and specially the smartphones, Androïd and IOS, It's a "good" market for inde and amateurish project. So if you want to start in game dev, thinking of futur, if you learn an engine, you probably stay with it for long years.
Prophecy2k
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Question concerning Frostbite 2
Sorry to cut in, but i'm curious about a point that was being discussed a little while back concerning DICE's (awesome) Frostbite 2 tech.
Is DICE owned by EA and will their engine be licenseable by non-EA devs in the same way Cryengine 3 is?
If not then i would surmise that EA will have a rediculously solid advantage next gen, especially over it's biggest competitor (i.e. Activision). DICE are a powerhouse and very talented bunch and unless Kotick has plans to buy Crytek, Frostbite 2 will make all EA's internal projects shine over their competition.
I'm actually really excited by all these "next-gen" middleware solutions, as if anything it means that devs can hit the ground running next gen and we might actually get consoles that launch with incredible games, instead of having to wait upto a year for the goodstuff.
In a way also (admitting ignorance of whatever Carmack is working on for Id Tech 6) i feel a bit like Tech 5 has been a bit of a stumbling block for Id software this gen. DICE, Cryteck, Epic etc have all shipped more than one game already on the HD consoles and PC, and all Id has managed is a couple of iPhone games. Coupled with that (again admitting a limited knowledge of Id Tech 5) i'm not all that sure how relevant MegaTexture will go on to be this gen or next. I'm just concerned that perhaps Id bet on the wrong horse this gen when it comes to their engine tech, whilst Crytek and guys like DICE seem like their poised to practically clean up next gen (and possibly the rest of this one).
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Or perhaps this is a little OT? Feel free to move or delete Mods as you see fit ;-)
Sorry to cut in, but i'm curious about a point that was being discussed a little while back concerning DICE's (awesome) Frostbite 2 tech.
Is DICE owned by EA and will their engine be licenseable by non-EA devs in the same way Cryengine 3 is?
If not then i would surmise that EA will have a rediculously solid advantage next gen, especially over it's biggest competitor (i.e. Activision). DICE are a powerhouse and very talented bunch and unless Kotick has plans to buy Crytek, Frostbite 2 will make all EA's internal projects shine over their competition.
I'm actually really excited by all these "next-gen" middleware solutions, as if anything it means that devs can hit the ground running next gen and we might actually get consoles that launch with incredible games, instead of having to wait upto a year for the goodstuff.
In a way also (admitting ignorance of whatever Carmack is working on for Id Tech 6) i feel a bit like Tech 5 has been a bit of a stumbling block for Id software this gen. DICE, Cryteck, Epic etc have all shipped more than one game already on the HD consoles and PC, and all Id has managed is a couple of iPhone games. Coupled with that (again admitting a limited knowledge of Id Tech 5) i'm not all that sure how relevant MegaTexture will go on to be this gen or next. I'm just concerned that perhaps Id bet on the wrong horse this gen when it comes to their engine tech, whilst Crytek and guys like DICE seem like their poised to practically clean up next gen (and possibly the rest of this one).
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Onkl Bjorni
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Sorry if this is to off-topic, but do anyone know what happend to the Project Offset engine?
It looked very promising last time they showed it.
It looked very promising last time they showed it.
Prophecy2k
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I think you really do have a solid point there Joker ;-)
My bro works for a small studio and it always amazes me when i see him working throught the weekends and busting his ass to put together tools that would already exist in a very respectable, fully fleshed out form in many of the these middleware engines.
I'm sure however there's a lot to be said for being able to optimise your own code that you know how it works becuase you built it. I don't know how much the license agreements for these middleware technologies allow for developers making low-level tweaks and enhancements to the engine code? I know guys like Bioware rewrote the renderer for UE3 for their own use in Mass Effect games. I think someone earlier on in this thread expressed that a number of devs seem to do this by default when working with UE3.
What i'm interested in is how much of the codebase do these middleware engines allow you to change, in a way that won't screw up your code with the next engine update release?
I know splash damage use an older version of Id Tech which they developed themselves and pretty much diverged off in a different direction.
And although i have no basis or proof for my suspicions, but i have a niggling suspicion that Platinum Games' tech is based off an older build of MT Framework ;-)
Bioware probably didn't entirely rewrote the UE3 renderer, far from it; it's more likely just some tweaks to get a bit more away from its signature look. But it's certainly not as different from the middleware as the Bioshock games for example.
AFAIK, Frostbite 2 is for DICE projects only.
But I really doubt Activision will have the resources to buy Crytek - they're just too big of a company.
Prophecy2k
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Thanks for the clarification ;-)