You're missing the point.
You claimed that you'd never seen an Audio/Videophile use a games machine for DVD playback.
Which is irrelevant, because a quick glance on that website would prove there are many that do.
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You're missing the point.
You claimed that you'd never seen an Audio/Videophile use a games machine for DVD playback.
Which is irrelevant, because a quick glance on that website would prove there are many that do.
Overpriced? Over here in the UK, Blu ray players are decreasing in price rapidly.
Sure, the competition could be stronger, but lets also focus on PS3's strengths aswell. Lets not forget that the competition on the HD DVD side is basically limited to Toshiba right now.
i simply said that i have never seen a audio\videophile use a console for dvd playback, which i haven't.
People on the AV forums owning varius consoles (even X360's
),that doesn't mean they use it for much outside of gaming. And if they do, its because they don't have the funds for appropriate equipment, which negates the whole A\V thing in my opinion. If you cannot afford appropriate equipment, being a A\V person is just the same as being an average joe, in terms of what you own, therefore, useless information.As far as bluray goes, i'm not a A\V person, so i don't know the current quality and price of standalone blu-ray players, however, im certain that in the future ( when standalone players give an clear advantage over PS3 (which they will), like they did with the dvd) you won't see a lot of A\V people using PS3's for movie playback.
Just because some people use a console for movies and hang out at the AV forum doesn't really tell you squat except for that the guy using the console for movieplayback either isn't really a Audio\videophile OR, doesn't have the proper funds to actually "be" one.
i simply said that i have never seen a audio\videophile use a console for dvd playback, which i haven't.
People on the AV forums owning varius consoles (even X360's
As far as bluray goes, i'm not a A\V person, so i don't know the current quality and price of standalone blu-ray players, however, im certain that in the future ( when standalone players give an clear advantage over PS3 (which they will), like they did with the dvd) you won't see a lot of A\V people using PS3's for movie playback.
Just because some people use a console for movies and hang out at the AV forum doesn't really tell you squat except for that the guy using the console for movieplayback either isn't really a Audio\videophile OR, doesn't have the proper funds to actually "be" one.
What a sweeping statement to make. When I go on these sites, I hear lots of people mention that they dont use their PS3 for games, only for films. Some of the guys are like 50. Several people have mentioned how they would never have used a games console in the past, but have been amazed by how good PS3 has been. The fact that it offers software updates makes it an even better proposition. To say an Audio/Videophile will not use a games console is somewhat ignorant.
Are you basing this purely on your own opinion, or have you actually been on any AV sites? The reason I ask is that I'm basing my posts on user-related accounts, not my own personal theories. Not sure why your defensive regarding 360 either; its a fine games machine, but its very noisy and has cheap components which makes it unsuitable for movie playing. This isnt recent news, its what been said all along. Not sure why people cant accept that the PS3 is being aimed at the higher-end market-I mean look at its price.
Any way you slice it, the current players cannot be firmware updated to Spec 1.1 or later 2.0. Your best bet is the PS3 for that. So once again, for price and performance, PS3 is the best br playback device on the market currently. Thus a lot of the AV enthusiasts went with the PS3.
I have no idea what Toshiba has to do with the standalone BR players being crippled......
Notice that i said a little disclaimer about PS3 bluray.
In fact, i also never mentioned blu-ray or PS3 in my comment about A\V people and game consoles. I mentioned DVD. You might wanna read that part again..
I have never said it isn't noisy, or isn't made up of cheap components, i totally agree on all those parts. You might wanna try to read things over again. The only things i have stated is that:
A: Topic creator has an agenda (which is something like "MS PR LIES!!")
B: People are complaining about the cheapest possible way to get a HD-DVD drive if you own a PC or a X360, doesn't support lossless sound (if you got a sound system to cater this lossless sound properly, chances are your going to buy a proper stand-alone player), not only that, but the X360 would need a engineering rewamp in order to give this lossless sound, to the people that spend a total of $200 for HD-DVD capability...
C: Then some ignorants started talking about how something that retails for $200 apparently has a real cost of $600.
D: Then you came in here, and didn't properly read my quote, and started commenting on it.
So what you were saying here:
Is that the HD-DVD can at most be compared to the DVD playback of the old consoles and that the Blu-Ray in the PS3 is head and shoulders above both the old consoles DVD support and the HD-DVD addon, ok.
I think I'm on the same wavelength as you.
I'm not attacking Ostepop, it just seemed as though he was questioning PS3's Blu ray capabilities, which seem beyond reproach at this point. Sorry if I misinterpreted this.
My feeling on the matter is that MS is playing catch-up, when it might be best served leaving this battle well alone. The poster who mentioned the HD DVD add-on costing $600, is making the salient point that, that is the true cost of HD DVD playback on 360. Whether its a games console or not, this is fact. IF you want everything in one box (including lossless audio) PS3 is cheaper and arguably better. Whether or not the OP has an agenda I dont know, but I think MS has dropped the ball a little by pushing 360 as a multimedia machine, when comparisons with PS3 leave it in a relatively bad light (audio capabilities, cost of peripherals, lack of internet browser and build quality spring to mind).
I´m just very surprised of how bad the HD-DVD addon actually turned out to perform in combination with the XBOX 360. For me this "cheap" addon would have been worthless until the DD problem was fixed. But i think it´s cool that MS steps up and corrects the flaws (but it´s very late considering how long that DD issue must have lived) and i like their aproach with the hardware limited PCM. They just make a workable patch that involves some nifty coding.
Anyway, however cheap this addon must be anyone that previously claimed that they could buy a 360 and a addon and get a HD-DVD experience have been cheated. Now they at least get closer, way closer especially with the HDMI 360.
I don't really get the point of the HD-DVD addon. I know it's nice to have it as a choice but if you're going to get something like that you'd be so much better getting a proper piece of kit.
I was tempted at first but after reading the What Hifi review (which absolutely slates it) I realised that it was a pointless exercise.
I was tempted at first but after reading the What Hifi review (which absolutely slates it) I realised that it was a pointless exercise.
sorry but it works just great here for us average (not AVS enthusiast) folks. at an affordable price in fact. MS is not trying to "catch up"; just offering another option as the DVD war is not the focus of the X360.
There is nothing average about Dynamic Compression being set to max. Unless your using a real bad HT setup or a plain TV. In that case there is nothing but the picture left (that also got patched at last
) on the HD-DVD and with a HT setup that cant resolve Dynamic Compression setting i doubt the picture is worth the addon, a cheap DVD as suggested by Ostepop wouldn´t have been a bad choice There is nothing average about Dynamic Compression being set to max. Unless your using a real bad HT setup or a plain TV. In that case there is nothing but the picture left (that also got patched at last
sounds great to me especially with today's update... well worth the optional drive cost to me and to say it's not is ridiculous since it's in my house hooked up to my gear for my eyes and ears.
Well i found an explanation for the wild varying reports, it turns out that it´s only the "pure" DD tracks that were inflicted with the Compression of doom. DD+, DTS, True HD etc were all converted to DD like it´s done with DTS now. It´s just that this DD output was NOT harmed like the native was, select anything but DD if you can until you get the update. I guess thats void now though
No, you've got this all wrong. You were cheated and you aren't actually experiencing HD-DVD!
No, you've got this all wrong. You were cheated and you aren't actually experiencing HD-DVD!
He honestly wasn´t, saying anything else would be unfair to HD-DVD.
Care to expand? are you now determining what is or isn't acceptable for his situation?
Well if he tells us he could live with the HD-DVD addon as it was before the patch now that he knows how it´s supposed to perform then i guess i was wrong...in his case. Something tells me that alot wouldn´t want to go back .-)
