E3 roundup/anticipation post

I think MS gave Rockstar $50 million, and then each sale of the DLC goes to MS until (if ever) that $50 million is paid back. Any sales beyond that figure are for Rockstar. It was important to Rockstar partly because MS gave them the money way up-front, and Rockstar needed the cash back then. At least that's what I remember - maybe someone knows this more precisely.
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You have some very wierd business sense there.

Take 2 would be crazy NOT to make such a deal, if the payout is big enough. Simply economics. How much can you potentially gain by selling this DLC to the PS3 crowd? (Discounted by risk ofcourse). How much is Ms willing to pay? As long as MS offer is as large (or larger than) as the discounted potential gain, you have to be a retard in order to not accept such an offer.

The reason for why take 2 would be retards in this scenario is because unless they take up the offer, they willingly loose money.

You are the one with the strange business sense if you think MS would be willing to pay millions of dollars for exclusive DLC for a game that is already old and a big hit on a competing platform but which has yet to even see release on the Xbox. What benefit is there to them in such an arrangement? The title's impact would have been diminished significantly by time leaving very little tangible business benefit to such an arrangement. All the game's fans are concentrated on the PS3, so will it even sell very well? It won't really raise the profile of your system to get old news with extras that cost extra. Why would anyone pay big money for that? Or even enough to dissuade the developer from selling whatever new content they want to millions of existing, rabid fans?
 
You are the one with the strange business sense if you think MS would be willing to pay millions of dollars for exclusive DLC for a game that is already old and a big hit on a competing platform but which has yet to even see release on the Xbox.

Im not saying that they are willing to. Infact i stated that i doubt MS would find such a project worthwile.

Im just pointing out that the logic in your arguments is seriously, seriously flawed. If the MGS exclusive DLC is attractive enough, attractive deals can be made, and Konami management will have strong incentives to accept them.

Obviously, if the MGS DLC is not attractive enough, then nobody will be willing to pay Konami for any exclusivity.

The logic you presented goes against rational business sense, meaning that you are assuming that the decision takers dont act rationally, meaning that they are idiots. You think that such an assumtion is a good one?

If you want to make an argument against MS buying this DLC based on that MGS DLC exclusive might not be attractive, feel free to do so. (il probably even agree with you) So far you have tried to create arguments that are not based on this at all, rather you have tried presenting arguments as to why Konami should reject such exclusive DLC deals etc, arguments that go against even the most basic business logic.
 
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MS as a company may have the incentive to pay for exclusive content and for a 360 version of MGS to strengthen the brand and hit the image of competition. Even if its old it is still considered as one of the biggest franchises on the platform and is used as an arguement of the platform's exclusive quality line up.
 
Just so I can indulge in some Muntzian schadenfreude re @GameFork, GTA's next expansion isn't Blood and a Four Leaf Clover, but instead The Ballad of Gay Tony. Ha-ha! (As pertaining to the now much more fake rumors he issued for E3.)
 
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The logic you presented goes against rational business sense, meaning that you are assuming that the decision takers dont act rationally, meaning that they are idiots. You think that such an assumtion is a good one?

If you want to make an argument against MS buying this DLC based on that MGS DLC exclusive might not be attractive, feel free to do so. (il probably even agree with you) So far you have tried to create arguments that are not based on this at all, rather you have tried presenting arguments as to why Konami should reject such exclusive DLC deals etc, arguments that go against even the most basic business logic.

My logic assumes all parties are acting rationally. Obviously if one party is not acting in their own best interest it is very easy for the other party to take advantage. I don't actually think we really disagree. I simply took issue with a point made earlier in the thread comparing the GTA DLC deal to 360 exclusive MGS content. I was simply trying to highlight how the situations are very different. I didn't intend this to be a referendum on exclusive DLC as a whole. I was always just arguing why Konami would be disinclined to accept terms which risk alienating existing MGS customers.

As a bottom line I do not believe a realistic offer by MS for exclusive MGS content would be large enough for Konami to accept, given a realistic estimation of what they could make on similar content without an exclusivity deal.
 
What do you think the "PRE" in the Kojima teaser spell in the end? At first, I thought it had to mean "pre" as in pre-e3, meaning that Kojima would reveal the new MGS at the Microsoft pre-E3 conference. But then I realised that the "pre" could merely spell in the end, "PRESS", as in Sony e3 press conference. So now I'm not sure , but I suspect that Kojima will reveal the new MGS at the Sony conference. What do you think?
 
Not only is it important because MS gave them money up front, the project becomes risk free for Rockstar. This has tremendous value
esp if u can dictate what the games called
Im wondering if we wont see a title change before 'gay tonys' launched (after $5million first being deposited in RS's bank account ) :D nice move
 
What do you think the "PRE" in the Kojima teaser spell in the end? At first, I thought it had to mean "pre" as in pre-e3, meaning that Kojima would reveal the new MGS at the Microsoft pre-E3 conference. But then I realised that the "pre" could merely spell in the end, "PRESS", as in Sony e3 press conference. So now I'm not sure , but I suspect that Kojima will reveal the new MGS at the Sony conference. What do you think?

Prequel is what comes to mind first.
 
My E3 show wishlist :
Catch up on sleep and time with ma kitties.

:p
 
Added FF13 (slipped my mind) and new Valve game (rumored, could be Half Life Ep 3, or may not exist at all) to the list.
 
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Just watched the E3 top 10 most anticipated games video, and I've never even heard of Bayonetta. Looks pretty good, like DMC with a female character.

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Cas i just say kiddies. MGS5 i would expect wont release for atleast a year. When I'd expect Sony are in a far more agressive mood/situation. I'd expect Sony to prepare for those situations and the future dilligently. But the ps3 suxxorz of course as all xbox fanboys keep telling everyone.
 
Aside from the fact that your statment could easily be interpreted as trolling, why on earth would MS possibly want to create some kind of Home clone?

Home is one big sticking failure at this point, unless they upgrade it substantially it allways will be. Creating a home clone would not be of any interest to MS.

What could be of interest is creating a similar MMO type UI like home has that actually have substantial features that normal people would enjoy and use. You know, people that dont find it amuzing to be able to pay $5 for a new virtual t-shirt...
Home is a huge sack of potential. It's pretty obvious. Whether Sony unlock part of it we'll wait and see.
 
Home is a huge sack of potential. It's pretty obvious. Whether Sony unlock part of it we'll wait and see.

MSs new game 1 vs. 100 do have some similarities to Sonys new Home Buzz game.
They may find more common ground for Live and Home avatars in the future.

Home is not for everyone but it may have enough users to make it a good business in the long run, heck there are still quite a few people using second life and Home is far more attractive IMO with all the different game spaces etc.. If it´s good business I don´t expect MS to hold back, software is after all their home turf.
 
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