http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3254234.stm
Glad I don't live in the EU.
Backing up your own media I guess is illegal.
Glad I don't live in the EU.
Backing up your own media I guess is illegal.
DVD-copying firm sued by Warners
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K.I.L.E.R said:
Well, if we want to call it "Backing up one's own media" then cool, but i think no one is THAT stupid to actually believe that...
You know there was a time when I copied every CD I owned to CDR, and then left my CD's at home to keep them from being damaged/stolen/lost. This is a real thing I did, and over the course afterward I saved many CD's which I owned from being ruined/lost. Of course there is the inherent bias that I was less careful with them (since I could just recopy them), but nevertheless it is true. Games are also something that I think is benificial to backup if the manufacturer makes you place a game in the drive to play. I know many people myself included who have had someone come and want to put another CD in, not see the case and put the game on its back (to avoid scratching) only to later have it end up on the floor being rolled over by a chair or something.
DVD's are something that is used less often, so perhaps it is reasonable to think that copy protection is ok, but personally I still think if you buy it, you should be able to copy it if you want. If a byproduct is that illegal copies can be made so be it, the lesser of two evils.
DVD's are something that is used less often, so perhaps it is reasonable to think that copy protection is ok, but personally I still think if you buy it, you should be able to copy it if you want. If a byproduct is that illegal copies can be made so be it, the lesser of two evils.
Sxotty said:
How is it "lesser of 2 evils"?
Given the proportions, it will be "a lot more of one evil" and "a bit less of the other"...
Where the former is pirate DVDs (as in "Firms or individuals mass producing pirate DVDs") and the latter is "ruined originals and subsequent need to repurchase the DVD" from a private user's point of view.
There are mod chips that are made just to let you play diffrent regions .Legion said:
I my self have all my media backed up . Even my vhs. Its funny that I never heard of all this crap back with vhs which was even easier to do and gave you the same quality as the original vhs . Or the same with tapes.
solutuion: "right to use"
this right gives someone the right to "use" the media they purchased, for the rest of their lives. They do not have the right to copy it (until the company chooses to "abandon and make public" the media). However, Once they have purchased the product and thus own the "right to use" the company is required to replace the media if it becomes damaged or lost, and is not allowed to charge more than the manufacturing / delivery costs. If a company chooses they may "abandon and make public" then they release to the public an uncopywrighted version and forefit any rights to it. They are required to make this version available for X ammount of time to anyone who wants it, at no more than manufactuing / delivery costs.
This would make it easy to prosecute people making illegal copies, it would be easy to find people trying to get resell lots of replacement copies, it would protect the companies IP rights, and, most importantly, is an *option*. The alternative to the "right to use" license is a "right to own" license under which the company has no responcibility to replace the media, but the owner has the full right to make copies for personal use. Under "right to own" the manufacturer may NOT attempt to impede, in any way, the familiar "fair use" rights, but under the "right to use" they may use any copyprotection that does not violate other laws.
this right gives someone the right to "use" the media they purchased, for the rest of their lives. They do not have the right to copy it (until the company chooses to "abandon and make public" the media). However, Once they have purchased the product and thus own the "right to use" the company is required to replace the media if it becomes damaged or lost, and is not allowed to charge more than the manufacturing / delivery costs. If a company chooses they may "abandon and make public" then they release to the public an uncopywrighted version and forefit any rights to it. They are required to make this version available for X ammount of time to anyone who wants it, at no more than manufactuing / delivery costs.
This would make it easy to prosecute people making illegal copies, it would be easy to find people trying to get resell lots of replacement copies, it would protect the companies IP rights, and, most importantly, is an *option*. The alternative to the "right to use" license is a "right to own" license under which the company has no responcibility to replace the media, but the owner has the full right to make copies for personal use. Under "right to own" the manufacturer may NOT attempt to impede, in any way, the familiar "fair use" rights, but under the "right to use" they may use any copyprotection that does not violate other laws.
how does the company ensure it is lost?Sage said:
And must the company be forced to keep a database of all users who ever purchased its products, in case in 2 years i come back and say i lost it?
and what if i want to pay cash, and dont want record that i bought it - dont i still deserve fair usage rights?
What if its a CD, that i want to be able to listen to in my car, at home, and at work, but i dont want to cart a bundle of CD's around? Or what if i want to listen in my car, which only has a tape deck?
they dont have a way of doing that, the goal is to prevent massive copying. it would be easy to profile people who are giving a copy to all of their buddies, and even easier to profile people who are trying to sell it.
Yes.
of course you deserve fair usage rights. unfortunately, the current system is not going to hold much longer and both sides will have to give in some.
I never said that it had to be limited to physical media. if you choose to buy a CD then you will have some practical restrictions.
I don't have all the answers. If you know anything about politics in a modern western democratic state then you know that an idea is proposed, lots of people work toegether to draw up a bill, it's then put put on the table, so to speak, when it is debated on and goes through many changes before it is actually voted on. this sytem is meant to make sure that it's not swiss cheese (no offense to the swiss or their cheese). I proposed an idea that I think is a good base, I can't possibly have everything already thought out and solved.
Sage said:
*cough* copyright laws *cough* - That part was ignored purposely beccause it will never happen. If I made a game I will make a choice if it will be freeware/abandonware. I may choose never to make it abandonware/freeware. Then what will the person do in the situation I described?
Your idea has to be realistic. I can easily make a suggestion that can work out too. Go back in time and get the corporation/business to send you a new copy.
You got that right.
I want to be able to back up a piece of software for my own use. Here in Australia we spend up to $90 for a video game. If it breaks the stores and the manufacturer simply will not accept returns several years after you bought the game. If your original breaks, bad luck. Money down the drain.
If you came over to my house you will notice my CDs are spotless, no scratch, no dust, no marks, nothing. They are in brand new shape, you know why? Because I NEVER use them. I use the backups. Those are in perfect condition as well, if the backup fails after a few years I can simply make another copy from my original CD. That has already happened to me once, now imagine if it was my original CD?
I would have to go out and look for a copy of the game and spend $50 for it. Sure it would be $40 cheaper than when I first bought the game but that's not the point.
BTW: I still have the maority of the boxes from my games. I stack the boxes on top of each other and place my speakers on to them to make sure my speakers are ear level.
Cheap but at least those game boxes become useful rather than lying around on my floor.
This is not a really good argument... when you buy a book, do you copy it and read the copy? I bet most people don't do this. Why should other media to be much different? Just because you can easily copy them?
I think the biggest problem of "fair use" is not about backup. It's about alternative way of using the media. For example, one should be able to copy digital audio into a portable audio player for listening. You can do that with audio CDs, but not DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, or SACD. Of course, we all know that there are some ways to work around the protection scheme of DVD-Video, but there are still no solution for DVD-Audio and SACD. You can't even read a SACD on a PC (other than its audio CD layer).
The SACD way is an example of compromise: many SACDs has two layers, SACD layer and audio CD layer. The higher quality SACD layer can't be copied, but audio CD layer is just like every audio CD. So if you need to copy the audio for "fair use", you can copy the audio CD layer, but the quality may be lower. If you want the best quality, you have to go for a SACD player. There is a similar proposal for DVD-Audio under way.
I think the biggest problem of "fair use" is not about backup. It's about alternative way of using the media. For example, one should be able to copy digital audio into a portable audio player for listening. You can do that with audio CDs, but not DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, or SACD. Of course, we all know that there are some ways to work around the protection scheme of DVD-Video, but there are still no solution for DVD-Audio and SACD. You can't even read a SACD on a PC (other than its audio CD layer).
The SACD way is an example of compromise: many SACDs has two layers, SACD layer and audio CD layer. The higher quality SACD layer can't be copied, but audio CD layer is just like every audio CD. So if you need to copy the audio for "fair use", you can copy the audio CD layer, but the quality may be lower. If you want the best quality, you have to go for a SACD player. There is a similar proposal for DVD-Audio under way.
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