K8T890Pro and PT894Pro. Looks like SLI could get very popular.
http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=781
http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=781
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Even more importantly is the Deltrachrome integrated graphics for the K8M model. VIA has needed to update their graphic's portion for a long time. Of course, with the pretty low performance of the desktop Deltachrome parts, I don't hold out a lot of hope for these models. Will they at least beat Intel's 900 series?
I doubt that many people follow that way. If you have not the money at the begining to buy a very good graphic card, chances that you start to buy more expensive stuff at the begining just in case one day you may afford to upgrade seems rather low for me.
If you think about it, SLI is a nice marketing thing, a better topic to talk about on enthousiasts forums, but i bet it will be just almost not existant in reality.
If you think about it, SLI is a nice marketing thing, a better topic to talk about on enthousiasts forums, but i bet it will be just almost not existant in reality.
PatrickL said:
Yeah you do have a point. SLI would be more attractive to people who are simply into the tech and have the money to play with. However, the difference between graphics card levels might be ~ $100 whereas the difference in price between SLI and non-SLI boards may be significantly less. To some people, investing a couple extra bucks in the SLI board may be a more viable solution than putting out $100 or $200 bucks more for a better card. Remember SLI can also serve as an upgrade path if motherboard prices are reasonable.
trinibwoy said:
Spend $100 more for a dual pcie motherboard now so they can upgrade a year from now to an SLI solution which hamstrings their video card options to current tech with no guarantee that it will outperform what they could have bought now for $100 more or what they could gain by spending the money they saved on an upgrade a year from now? Doesn't sound like a very smart investment to me. Also it's not just the MB, you have to consider the extra power a 2nd card will use.
Until convinced that it will be a bug free, benefit across the board solution I think you'd be silly to spend more than 50 cents on 'potential' SLI upgrade. However enthusiasts will probably consider them immediately upon availability.
The SLI market may be very small now, but I think it could grow significantly over the next year or so. With the chipsets supporting more lanes and other cards requiring more than 1x, motherboard makers may decide to make a second 16x slot connected as 8x a very common configuration.
AlphaWolf said:
trinibwoy said:
Wow you must really hate technology then. Please show me any new tech that is bug free, with benefits for all?
And please provide a source for your $100 more than non-SLI capable boards? Keep in mind that I was simply trying to provide examples of situations where SLI may be beneficial since I'm actually excited about the new tech. But I guess everyone has their own agenda.
trinibwoy said:
Reread what I wrote. I said you'd be stupid to spend money on its potential. What if only 80% of games work on SLI, what if its 50%. What if it has massive errors?
The only boards we are seeing are very high end ones at the moment. You can buy a very good (Asus/Abit/Msi) name brand mb for a $100, most users won't need or use many of the features of the high end boards which generally cost nearly double. Perhaps in the future we will see lower cost versions of dual pci boards, but it's safe to say they are always going to cost more than an equivalent single solution.
I have no agenda, I am merely saying that it is an enthusiast only market product. It offers little to no advantage for regular users that I can see from a cost effectiveness standpoint. I would certainly not recommend an SLI solution to anyone on the 'potential' aspect. You can always buy something faster next year, and it doesn't need to be SLI.
Judging by the recent past I certainly don't see any place where SLI would have offered a mid range price competetive advantage.
AlphaWolf said:
I think we're both doing a heavy bit of speculation but I'm being a bit more optimistic. Can't forsee any issues with games since the applications will have no idea that the SLI solution is being used - this should be masked by the drivers and hopefully nvidia will be doing thorough testing of its SLI implementation as we speak. I think all the negative 'what ifs' are just being a little paranoid but who knows.
As I have said several times the success of SLI hinges very much on the premium we pay for that extra slot. If both via and nvidia present dual-slot solutions then that will increase competition and exposure so SLI may not be as expensive as some predict - again this is just me being my overly optimistic self
SLI is not the only reason to have dual PEG slots.
SLI was always an enthusiast option. So what? Both NVidia and ATI built in the ability for their architectures to scale in cluster/renderfarm scenarios, and SLI is simply a more enthusiast oriented version of that. Most of the work was already done, the extra HW to support it on the PCB probably isn't that much. I'd suggest that most of the work is actually in the driver.
As soon as PCI-E got introduced, people started talking about dual PEG. If you don't like it, don't buy it. There are plenty of people who want to buy the fastest CPU, memory, HDs, and Gfx who will shell out for this.
SLI was always an enthusiast option. So what? Both NVidia and ATI built in the ability for their architectures to scale in cluster/renderfarm scenarios, and SLI is simply a more enthusiast oriented version of that. Most of the work was already done, the extra HW to support it on the PCB probably isn't that much. I'd suggest that most of the work is actually in the driver.
As soon as PCI-E got introduced, people started talking about dual PEG. If you don't like it, don't buy it. There are plenty of people who want to buy the fastest CPU, memory, HDs, and Gfx who will shell out for this.
I agree. Personnally i would more imagine some enthousiast building a dual 6800 gt system now as they have the money and the will to do it than presenting SLI as an upgrade solution.
Of course saying that SLI is a a good way to upgrade is misleading as it is supposed to say that there is a potential huge market for that. While in fact it will be most of the time used by the very tiny ultra enthousiast crowd with the money to play that way.
Of course saying that SLI is a a good way to upgrade is misleading as it is supposed to say that there is a potential huge market for that. While in fact it will be most of the time used by the very tiny ultra enthousiast crowd with the money to play that way.
DemoCoder said:
Those who buy the latest/priciest tech usually are enthusiasts and companies that need to be on the cutting edge of technology(as you suggested renderfarms and such). Those 2 markets combined most likely do not exceed 5% of total sales for any IHV. Hell even enthusiasts alone barely make up 1% of the market.
gkar1 said:
So what? I am in that market, and I want my desires to be supported. It's like the much balleyhooed advantage of PCI-E for rendering and HDTV editing. That's a small market too.
I'm glad Nvidia and Alienware are offering these options. If you don't like, don't buy. I don't see how you can view giving consumers more options are negative.
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