Does Nintendo have a chance next-generation?
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Just looked it up and sega's debt upon merging with sammy was around $700 million. That's actually pretty good, since I think during the dreamcast days it was as high as $2 billion, if they paid off $1.3 billion in 2-3 years they may be having quite a turn around...unless they just sold off assets to pay off that amount.
Teasy said:
I partially agree, in the beginning, around GC launch, they had made clear statements AND choices about what GC will be about, that was really a positive move.
With things like the Resident Evil exclusivity and Capcom's 5, the emphasis on Eternal Darkness, Perfect Dark Zero, the 3rd party friendly behavior, they had Wave Race as a launch title, NBAC2002 and 1080 were coming, promising more internal sports games (without Mario...), etc...
Nintendo had definitely showed that they're "trying".
Then, half the way, they started to change their ways, they didn't worked on "mature" games except MP; they didn't push some sport games except thoses previously cited, and 3rd party sport games like ESPN series are not even ported over to GC; they sold RareWare, home of PD0, Killer Instinct, CBFD; they stopped their exclusivity contract with Sillicon Knight, they didn't try to agressively conquer some 3rd party exlusives; Capcom had to stop their full support; Factor 5 had to cease their "develloping on Nintendo Only", Nintendo didn't mind; almost all third party mature games skip the GC platform; they're doing strange PR, talking about the fact that people crave for simple games, and not epic and "big" games, while the sales charts keep on proving them wrong (Check GTA:SA and Pikmin 2, for instance).
Personaly, i think they were on the right direction, read varying their catalogue, having Mario, Pokémon, Pikmin alongside of others "mature-looking" (I hate this term, BTW), to help attract a mainstrem grown up audience.
Then, in the middle of the way, IMO, they did a 180° turn, and got back right where they were...
Did they decided to stop fighting for this type of audience?
BTW, i don't think Nintendo is going anywhere soon, the fact that they're conservative is bad thing to gain some marketshare, true, but it's a good behavior to adopt when you want to do money.
As long as they do money and as long as they've no debt, count them in.
Vysez- I think they did a pretty good jobs with mature titles on the n64, and a decent job with sports titles, and I think the initial gamecube titles were just a continuation of what nintendo was doing on n64. Then they changed it because they didn't want gamecube to be another n64..which I think sucks since I consider the n64 their best system.
Johnny Awesome
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Excellent points Vysez.
Paper Mario isn't going to cut it with GTA:SA fans, but Nintendo will still do well on their exclusives for their own system. It'll be really interesting to see what Cube sales are like this holiday.
Paper Mario isn't going to cut it with GTA:SA fans, but Nintendo will still do well on their exclusives for their own system. It'll be really interesting to see what Cube sales are like this holiday.
Spidermate
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PC-Engine said:Ty said:PSP pricing is a desperate move? I wonder what that says for the GCN which is being dumped at 99 bucks? Must be twice as desperate!
Actually GCN was sold at launch at $200 without DVD capabilities.
Nintendo dropped the price of GCN at a later time just like SONY dropped the price of PS2 at a later time.
SONY had planned for PSP to break even or even profit at launch, therefore it IS a desparate move because it will be sold AT A LOSS...capich???
Nice living behind rose tinted goggles huh?
Kutaragi denied that competition from Nintendo DS influenced the PSP price. The price was possible because about half of PSP's parts, including the main computer chip, are produced internally by Sony, he said.
capish....
Spidermate
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Teasy said:
Did you believe the PSP would really launch at $200+ because a web site said so?
Johnny Awesome
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I agree with Teasy, Sony for sure felt the competitive pressure from NDS.
Spidermate
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So,in other words, you're telling me you were expecting the PSP the launch at $200+, right?
as long as they make healthy profit, i wouldn't worry about nintendo, whatever they are the first or the last, whether their is strong or non-existent 3rd party...
i don't understand why there is so much questionning about nintendo's future, they have proven again and again that they know how to do make business with videogames.
i would wonder much more about xbox line future. microsoft hasn't proven it to be viable, unless you mean gigantic losses being viable. the next generation xbox won't have any performance advantage as it will be the first on the market (dreamcast showed what you gain being first to market when everyone is waiting for the next playstation).. if you remove the performance advantage what does remain for the xbox line ? halo franchose ? xbox live ? it does not suggest optimism for xbox 2.
i don't understand why there is so much questionning about nintendo's future, they have proven again and again that they know how to do make business with videogames.
i would wonder much more about xbox line future. microsoft hasn't proven it to be viable, unless you mean gigantic losses being viable. the next generation xbox won't have any performance advantage as it will be the first on the market (dreamcast showed what you gain being first to market when everyone is waiting for the next playstation).. if you remove the performance advantage what does remain for the xbox line ? halo franchose ? xbox live ? it does not suggest optimism for xbox 2.
Spidermate
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Magnum PI said:
Now this I agree with, although I do still feel Microsoft may have an advantage in something that the other consoles won't be capable of. Even still, with Microsoft launching early and cutting cost, I see this as a huge gamble on their fan base.
But, as far as Nintendo go, I believe this dual screen of theirs is going to give the PSP one helluva round, because it is capable of retaining a better exclusive a lot longer compared to the PSP's average game play.
Spidermate said:
whatever the PSP price happens to be, it is not determined by luck, there is some marketing studies and things like that.... when you ask for consumers what they would want to pay for the PSP, they are influenced by the fact there is some other comparable product that will be in the market at a given price...
so you can be sure the DS somewhat was a factor in the choice of PSP price whatever may kutagari say.
I don't think anyone is claiming DS had no influence (yeah, I am aware of Kutaragi stating so, but lets just ignore PR here). The point is, the influence was probably minor - certainly not as much as PC-Engine is claiming it to be.
It was probably a nice balance with what the target audience would pay, the manufacturing price of the PSP and a move against Nintendo DS. A great price in pushing into a new market. That's all there is to it.
You can bet that the price was already a heated discussion right before they started designing the actual hardware. These things aren't determined when the product is close to go on sale.
It was probably a nice balance with what the target audience would pay, the manufacturing price of the PSP and a move against Nintendo DS. A great price in pushing into a new market. That's all there is to it.
You can bet that the price was already a heated discussion right before they started designing the actual hardware. These things aren't determined when the product is close to go on sale.
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Magnum PI said:
Well, seeing how this is a competition, of course there will be crucial choices ahead. But, don't think that just because Nintendo priced their console at $150 that Sony was FORCED to do the same with their PSP. They had already planned to keep the PSP at an affortable cost otherwise they would not have ever went in-house on a huge fraction of its hardware. It was only a matter of determining what would be right for the consumer and them due to Nintendo being the market leader. For instance, entering a market like this with zero fan base to someone who has owned it for fifteen years gives you about a 5% to 10% chance of scoring a goal. If you give away too much,and the competition beats you out (Xbox), you will lose a lot of money. If you give away too little,and the competition has something almost indentical to your offer, (3DO) that zero fan base of yours is suddenly converted into a minus.
EXACTLY.
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