SegaR&D said:
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Does Nintendo have a chance next-generation?
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... so says the Sega Crystal Ball!!!!! Wow thanks SegaR&D, what would we do without you and your insider info!!!!111111!!1!1!1
Zurich
Profitability is completely relivant to this thread, considering its about Nintendo's current state and wether they can keep going or even do a lot better in the future. It has absolutely nothing to do with "my console is better then yours" and everything to do with Nintendo's success as a business.
Profitability is completely relivant to this thread, considering its about Nintendo's current state and wether they can keep going or even do a lot better in the future. It has absolutely nothing to do with "my console is better then yours" and everything to do with Nintendo's success as a business.
SegaR&D said:
Yep, that's right......
Johnny Awesome
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There's a lot more variety to Eye Toy than balloon popping and Sony's new characters ARE in fact cooler than Mario IMO. Eternal Darkness is great (my second favorite game of this generation after Halo), but Nintendo has pretty much given up on Silicon Knights. Same goes with Starfox Adventures - I loved it, but then Nintendo sold Rare.
Which is precisely my point: Nintendo has been moving AWAY from where it should go. More kiddy Mario games and goofy Donkey Kong games (where is the true DK platformer I want?) are what Nintendo has in store for us. You could almost feel the collective sigh of relief when Nintendo unveiled the mature Zelda at E3; almost as if every gamer in the room was thinking: "finally they are making what I wanted."
The question is: Why didn't they make this stuff in the first place?
Nintendo will be around for a while yet, but they are fast becoming a minor niche player at sub 20% marketshare in the US/EU.
I hope they keep moving in the direction gamers want (That Zelda was the first smart move they've done in a while in the console arena). I also hope they keep changing their image, like what they're trying to do with some of those gba commercials, like the one featuring the song "strict machine" I heard that song and had to get it, it was so freaking sexy and cool, love it.
Teasy said:
Well with all the profit Nintendo has been making, they sure haven't done anything with it to revitalize their stagnating GameCube business, which is where the core, mainstream appeal comes from. I would be a pretty pissed Nintendo customer if I had bought into all the talk back in 2000/2001 about a "new, different, mature, 3rd-party friendly Nintendo."
Nintendo's business is to sell Nintendo software on a Nintendo platform - I'd say that's pretty incompatible with the rest of the industry.
Yep. MS has clearly won favor in selling 3rd party games. Without the Xbox, the GC would get games just because it's another platform to sell titles on after the PS2 version has sold. But if you're making a PS2 game and want to port to another machine, you choose Xbox (in general).Sonic said:
Going to next gen, you're making a PS3 titles. Will it be profitable on the X2? Likely. Will it be profitable on the Revolution? That's risky.
zurich
Nintendo seems to be between a rock and a hard place here with some people in this industry. If they make profits they're not spending enough on GC to help it sell more. But if they don't make a profit even for a month people are all over them and suddenly Nintendo are finished because they're not profitable for a single month or so. I do think they should spend more money on advertising, third parties ect of course. Just pointing out what seems to be a bit of a hypocritical situation coming from a lot of people. Not necessarily you as I can't remember if you were one of the people talking about Nintendo's death the moment they made a tiny loss one quarter
I'm not sure how exact that quote is about "new, different, mature, 3rd-party friendly Nintendo", but there has certainly been some headway made in these directions with GC. For instance GC has had far better third party support then N64 overall (despite having to deal with XBox taking away some third party support this gen). Also we've seen some Nintendo "mature" games (like Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime for instance). Unfortunately Nintendo have made a couple of steps backwards as well. But I still think they've gone in the right direction overall, just not anywhere near as far in that direction as I'd like. Hopefully they can improve these aspects further next generation.
Nintendo seems to be between a rock and a hard place here with some people in this industry. If they make profits they're not spending enough on GC to help it sell more. But if they don't make a profit even for a month people are all over them and suddenly Nintendo are finished because they're not profitable for a single month or so. I do think they should spend more money on advertising, third parties ect of course. Just pointing out what seems to be a bit of a hypocritical situation coming from a lot of people. Not necessarily you as I can't remember if you were one of the people talking about Nintendo's death the moment they made a tiny loss one quarter
I'm not sure how exact that quote is about "new, different, mature, 3rd-party friendly Nintendo", but there has certainly been some headway made in these directions with GC. For instance GC has had far better third party support then N64 overall (despite having to deal with XBox taking away some third party support this gen). Also we've seen some Nintendo "mature" games (like Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime for instance). Unfortunately Nintendo have made a couple of steps backwards as well. But I still think they've gone in the right direction overall, just not anywhere near as far in that direction as I'd like. Hopefully they can improve these aspects further next generation.
PC-Engine said:Actually GCN was sold at launch at $200 without DVD capabilities.
Nintendo dropped the price of GCN at a later time just like SONY dropped the price of PS2 at a later time.
SONY had planned for PSP to break even or even profit at launch, therefore it IS a desparate move because it will be sold AT A LOSS...capich???
Nice living behind rose tinted goggles huh?
Lol. Makes NO DIFFERENCE silly boy! The price is the price, capiche?
So by your logic (or lack thereof) Nintendo MUST be desparate. I mean, according to you, if the PSP launched at $300 then dropped to $200 a week later it would NOT be desperation? And the fact is, to me that WOULD signal desperation. Why you hate Sony is so funny (everyone including the mods see that)? So waste your time vainly trying to accuse me of being a Sony fan-boy when I don't even have a PS2, PS1, and am going to wait on the PSP. Readykilowatt
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There is something that some of you are forgetting.
Let's look at GTA as an example. GTA3 and GTA: VC are both the most successful home console games this generation (both selling about 6 million copies each in North America IIRC). Now both GTA3 and GTA: VC are third party games. But wasn't the biggest home console game last generation Super Mario 64? (or was it Zelda OOT?)
My point is this:
The next big game next-gen may not necessarily come from a third party developer.
It may come in the form of a Zelda title (or Nintendo IP) for the Revolution. Remember, the GTA series did not start with GTA3. Who knows, Zelda 2005 could end up selling a massive amount of copies (and Gamecubes).
Let's look at GTA as an example. GTA3 and GTA: VC are both the most successful home console games this generation (both selling about 6 million copies each in North America IIRC). Now both GTA3 and GTA: VC are third party games. But wasn't the biggest home console game last generation Super Mario 64? (or was it Zelda OOT?)
My point is this:
The next big game next-gen may not necessarily come from a third party developer.
It may come in the form of a Zelda title (or Nintendo IP) for the Revolution. Remember, the GTA series did not start with GTA3.
Who knows, Zelda 2005 could end up selling a massive amount of copies (and Gamecubes).I would say yes, there are a lot of Nintendo fans out there, who would pick up the system just for the exclusive games.
If Nintendo were to create a more powerful system or comparable powerful system to XBox 2, then they certainly do.
With partners like:
IBM
ATI
I have no doubt they will be competing in the next-gen consoles. If they also ease up on their Third-party fees, it might help to get a lot more games made for their system.
Speng.
If Nintendo were to create a more powerful system or comparable powerful system to XBox 2, then they certainly do.
With partners like:
IBM
ATI
I have no doubt they will be competing in the next-gen consoles. If they also ease up on their Third-party fees, it might help to get a lot more games made for their system.
Speng.
speng said:
I guess what I'm getting at is, does Nintendo want 3rd parties, who may canabalize first party sales, on their system? I'm not sure that they do. They seemed to like 3rd parties when they can charge for (cartridge) manufacturing, but otherwise they just seem like a threat (or marketing gimmick, as I view the 'Capcom 5').
That's because their games are not good enough this gen! I mean they are still very good games but nothing spectacular. I remember on the N64 my jaw was dropping all the time. SM64, WaveRace, Zelda, Starfox64 ... all killer titles and some of the finest games ever made! Now we got mostly rehashes with spiced up graphics. The few actually good games (like Pikmin) were barley noticed, or simply discussed to death (like Zelda:WW). Revolution needs to launch with a Mario game, that takes everyones breath away like SM64 did.Sonic said:
And even though i can not argue with the wisdom of SegaR&D i think Nintendo is not going anywhere, especially not 3rd party.
I see that as a weakness of XBOX2/PS3 actually. They will both end up getting pretty much the same games (like they are already). They could easily merge into one console. With Nintendo you'll get different games. Problem is nobody seems to want those games
thop said:That's because their games are not good enough this gen! I mean they are still very good games but nothing spectacular. I remember on the N64 my jaw was dropping all the time. SM64, WaveRace, Zelda, Starfox64 ... all killer titles and some of the finest games ever made! Now we got mostly rehashes with spiced up graphics. The few actually good games (like Pikmin) were barley noticed, or simply discussed to death (like Zelda:WW). Revolution needs to launch with a Mario game, that takes everyones breath away like SM64 did.Sonic said:
And even though i can not argue with the wisdom of SegaR&D i think Nintendo is not going anywhere, especially not 3rd party.
I see that as a weakness of XBOX2/PS3 actually. They will both end up getting pretty much the same games (like they are already). They could easily merge into one console. With Nintendo you'll get different games. Problem is nobody seems to want those games
I disagree, Mario embodies the "kiddy" image Nintendo has fostered all these years, they need another license to impress us at launch, I don't think Zelda has lost its luster, it had one falter and just look at people's reaction to the e3 trailer, the smartest thing they could do is launch that game with revised graphics on revolution.
Well, I'm pretty sure that "problem" which causes that "weakness" is something MS prefers to where they were Nov. 2001.thop said:I see that as a weakness of XBOX2/PS3 actually. They will both end up getting pretty much the same games (like they are already). They could easily merge into one console. With Nintendo you'll get different games. Problem is nobody seems to want those games
I don't think so. Mario can not be hated! People may not like him, but i don't know of anyone who actually hates Mario (like they hate Pikachu). Mario is still a strong character.
Also think about the children!! Nintendo can not drop Mario. Way too many Mario fans out there (young ones and old school).
People may not like him, but i don't know of anyone who actually hates Mario (like they hate Pikachu). Mario is still a strong character.Also think about the children!!
Nintendo can not drop Mario. Way too many Mario fans out there (young ones and old school).thop said:I don't think so. Mario can not be hated!
Also think about the children!!
Well on the gamecube it took him a few months to appear, though I wouldn't want Nintendo to wait that long to release a mario game, it definitely should not be at launch IMO.
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There isn't much Nintendo can do now, this gen is on its way to being over. They have a great line-up to follow the holiday for the GC, StarFox Assault, Geist, RE4, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, and Killer7(PS2) and third party can only help.
The GC is Yamauchi's console, the majority of mistakes are on him. I don't think Iwata will release a console that doesn't look high tech, or underpowered, although the GC isn't either. You can't judge Nintendo based on the decisions Yamauchi have made when it comes to what direction they are going for the nextgen.
I have a feeling Mario128 may surpass M64 in ever aspect. I think it should be the only first party title to be released by Nintendo for launch. Exclusive third party titles should round out the rest of the launch titles.
The GC is Yamauchi's console, the majority of mistakes are on him. I don't think Iwata will release a console that doesn't look high tech, or underpowered, although the GC isn't either. You can't judge Nintendo based on the decisions Yamauchi have made when it comes to what direction they are going for the nextgen.
I have a feeling Mario128 may surpass M64 in ever aspect. I think it should be the only first party title to be released by Nintendo for launch. Exclusive third party titles should round out the rest of the launch titles.
zurich said:
SEGA kept losing money too and look where they are now. They're lucky Sammy bought them out or they would've just disappeared from the face of the earth. Nintendo doesn't have any other business to fall back on unlike SONY and MS so if they lose lots of money or do not make enough profit to allow advanced R&D for future hardware, there won't be any future hardware...
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