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Ha! Have to give it to Nintendo for blaming gamers for their declining sales. 
Johnny Awesome
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Xbox million sellers list:
Halo
Dead or Alive 3
Project Gotham Racing
Splinter Cell
GCN million sellers list:
Pikmin
Rogue Squadron
Super Smash Brothers
Super Mario Brothers
Metroid Prime
That list is pretty comparable, Ben. The difference comes in when you start looking at 500k sellers, where the Xbox far outstrips the Cube in that regard.
I do think that Nintendo is out of touch. How much remains to be seen, but I think you'll see the gap widen between Xbox and GCN in US/EU pretty substantially in the first quarter of 2003.
Halo
Dead or Alive 3
Project Gotham Racing
Splinter Cell
GCN million sellers list:
Pikmin
Rogue Squadron
Super Smash Brothers
Super Mario Brothers
Metroid Prime
That list is pretty comparable, Ben. The difference comes in when you start looking at 500k sellers, where the Xbox far outstrips the Cube in that regard.
I do think that Nintendo is out of touch. How much remains to be seen, but I think you'll see the gap widen between Xbox and GCN in US/EU pretty substantially in the first quarter of 2003.
I disagree with you on that chap. I'm quite happy with the number of games on the GCN. If a casual gamer can't find enuf games to play on GCN than he needs a change in 'hobbies'.
And Johnny you're thinking just US , if you were to include the 500k and million+ sellers globally on XB and GCN, there would be no comparison. GCN has several more million and 500k games than XB.
Johnny Awesome
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Such as...
Johnny :
it seems this list of top seller is worlwide ??
500k+ on GC
Mario Party 4 (over 1M)
Animal Crossing (348K on NPD, +500K on Famitsu)
Luigi Mansion
Super Monkey Ball
Sonic2 (over 1M)
Rebirth (over 1M)
SMS (over 2M)
SSMB (over 2M)
Pikmin (over 1M)
RL (over 1M)
Zelda (as for now)
MP (as for now)
Starfox Adventure
Re Zero
feel free to complete and do your Xbox list
it seems this list of top seller is worlwide ??
500k+ on GC
Mario Party 4 (over 1M)
Animal Crossing (348K on NPD, +500K on Famitsu)
Luigi Mansion
Super Monkey Ball
Sonic2 (over 1M)
Rebirth (over 1M)
SMS (over 2M)
SSMB (over 2M)
Pikmin (over 1M)
RL (over 1M)
Zelda (as for now)
MP (as for now)
Starfox Adventure
Re Zero
feel free to complete and do your Xbox list
wazoo said:
I think this list is quite interesting. I 'm talking about the amount of good quality games on GCN.
Xbox fans usually say : "there's no game on GCN !"
The fact that they deliberatly make the choice of not seeing them doesn't mean that they don't exist.
I find it amusing besause, in my mind, the console which definitly has a lack of quality games is the .... Xbox !
Johnny Awesome
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It's all a matter of perspective. The fact is that most of the Gamecube games don't appeal to the late teen/early adult western gamer. My friends laugh at me for still playing Mario. They think it's ridiculous (I'm 32 years old).
Xbox 500k+ list:
Halo
Project Gotham Racing
Dead or Alive 3
Amped
Oddworld
NFL Fever 2002
Jet Set Radio Future
Tony Hawk 2x
Max Payne
Rallisport Challenge
Sega GT 2002
Madden 2003
Splinter Cell
soon... Dead or Alive Extreme Volleyball.
That's a pretty good list of games, considering that the Xbox has nothing going on in Japan right now.
All three systems have good games, but Nintendo has done a poor job of hitting all the key demographics despite their claim that they make games for "everyone". Xbox is weak at the low end of the age scale, hence the addition of Rare to the Xbox effort.
Nintendo should buy Silicon Knights and Factor 5 and put them to work on games that will appeal to older western gamers. This would help them tremendously. Bringing the Q out here would be a good idea as well.
Xbox 500k+ list:
Halo
Project Gotham Racing
Dead or Alive 3
Amped
Oddworld
NFL Fever 2002
Jet Set Radio Future
Tony Hawk 2x
Max Payne
Rallisport Challenge
Sega GT 2002
Madden 2003
Splinter Cell
soon... Dead or Alive Extreme Volleyball.
That's a pretty good list of games, considering that the Xbox has nothing going on in Japan right now.
All three systems have good games, but Nintendo has done a poor job of hitting all the key demographics despite their claim that they make games for "everyone". Xbox is weak at the low end of the age scale, hence the addition of Rare to the Xbox effort.
Nintendo should buy Silicon Knights and Factor 5 and put them to work on games that will appeal to older western gamers. This would help them tremendously. Bringing the Q out here would be a good idea as well.
wazoo said:
I know and your list is not exhaustive IMO.
But as i often ask myself how Xbox fans dare saying there is no (good)
game on GCN, and while i was reading your list, it just come to me that
maybe, these people simply don't want to admit there are games on GCN !
That is simply what i wanted to share with you !
Bye.
Magnum PI said:
I agree. I did not understand Johnny POV
Both consoles have a good list of good sellers (with more million sellers on the GC but more happy 3rd parties on the xbox)
The difference in the content show what are the userbases for each consoles nonetheless.
bundles, I presume
Most the games, beside Halo and SC are not 500k+ on the NPD December sheet, some are very old relatively, so it is difficult to know
Wazoo Liuigi is over a million worldwide.
Johhny wrote:
I'm 32 as well. If your friends can't comprehend that SMS is ACTUALLY as a mature as any game out there than I'd get new friends. Tell them throwing a molatie cocktail in a crowd of people in a game is not neccessarily the definition of mature either.
Also as far as Nintendo doing "a poor job of hitting all the key demographics despite their claim that they make games for "everyone". Take a look at XB list of games for Dec.
Top 10 Xbox Games:
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1) Splinter Cell 633,337
2) Ghost Recon 262,019
3) Halo 223,553
4) Mortal Kombat 179,147
5) Mech Assault 174,761
6) Bond 007: Nightfire 171,133
7) Medal of Honor: Frontline 146,216
8) Madden NFL 2003 132,011
9) Unreal Championship 103,556
10) Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4 103,843
Looking at that list it appears that MS has aimed the XB right at (and successivly) one demographic group. The late teen/early twenties male. I dont see the younger age represented there.
Now look at the GCN list for Dec.
Top 10 GC Games :
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1) Metroid Prime 358,876
2) Mario Party 4 237,369
3) Super Mario Sunshine 177,409
4) Bond 007: Nightfire 148,438
5) Super Smash Bros Melee 131,281
6) Animal Crossing 130,321
7) Harry Potter: Chamber 133,019
8) Resident Evil: 0 111,334
9) Star Fox Adventures 98,899
10) Sonic Mega Collection 119,626
Now that's an incredible cross section represented there. GCN might not have numbers as high as the XB and PS2 userbase but dont say Nintendo has done a "poor job of hitting all of the demographics". In this regard GCN has left XB and PS2 in the dust. Again, not as big an audience as the competition but a varied one for sure. Now I will say NOA has to do a better job of hitting the casual gamer, that's something that needs work. And I agree the Q would do a good job in the US with that.
Johhny wrote:
I'm 32 as well. If your friends can't comprehend that SMS is ACTUALLY as a mature as any game out there than I'd get new friends. Tell them throwing a molatie cocktail in a crowd of people in a game is not neccessarily the definition of mature either.
Also as far as Nintendo doing "a poor job of hitting all the key demographics despite their claim that they make games for "everyone". Take a look at XB list of games for Dec.
Top 10 Xbox Games:
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1) Splinter Cell 633,337
2) Ghost Recon 262,019
3) Halo 223,553
4) Mortal Kombat 179,147
5) Mech Assault 174,761
6) Bond 007: Nightfire 171,133
7) Medal of Honor: Frontline 146,216
8) Madden NFL 2003 132,011
9) Unreal Championship 103,556
10) Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4 103,843
Looking at that list it appears that MS has aimed the XB right at (and successivly) one demographic group. The late teen/early twenties male. I dont see the younger age represented there.
Now look at the GCN list for Dec.
Top 10 GC Games :
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1) Metroid Prime 358,876
2) Mario Party 4 237,369
3) Super Mario Sunshine 177,409
4) Bond 007: Nightfire 148,438
5) Super Smash Bros Melee 131,281
6) Animal Crossing 130,321
7) Harry Potter: Chamber 133,019
8) Resident Evil: 0 111,334
9) Star Fox Adventures 98,899
10) Sonic Mega Collection 119,626
Now that's an incredible cross section represented there. GCN might not have numbers as high as the XB and PS2 userbase but dont say Nintendo has done a "poor job of hitting all of the demographics". In this regard GCN has left XB and PS2 in the dust. Again, not as big an audience as the competition but a varied one for sure. Now I will say NOA has to do a better job of hitting the casual gamer, that's something that needs work. And I agree the Q would do a good job in the US with that.
Also you people want to know how Nintendo knows how to turn a profit like a French whore knows how to give bj's? Look at this ans then realize that Nintendo will be around a looong time:
2) Zelda: Link to the past 541,955
4) Metroid Fusion 338,893
5) Yoshi's Island 303,018
6) Kirby: Nightmare 267,727
7) Super Mario Advance 2 256,325
Notice anything? Look at LttP. Pretty much a Capcom port of the SNES code of LttP (with 4 swords co-op game of course). This mofo is gonna rank in the units before it's all said and done.
Then we have Fusion. A new game that probably cost Nintendo about 1 million clams at most to make.
Yoshi's Island. Again reworked code that had already made several Nintendo employees superstars amongst thier own ranks.
Kirby Nightmare. Again, this was the NES Kirby Dreamland. Nintendo had a couple of artists add new bg artwork. Too shrt a supply and high demand limited this one. It could have done 500,000 easily. Goes to show you even Kirby (a relatively lesser Nintendo franchise), is greater than most companies' most treasured character.
Lastly SMA. Also old reworked code that had already raked in millions of $$$$ years ago.
Now if one wants to criticise Nintendo for "rehashing" than that's fine. But I just wanted to show people (namely the 'doom' sayers) that this is how Nintendo teaches Profit 101.
2) Zelda: Link to the past 541,955
4) Metroid Fusion 338,893
5) Yoshi's Island 303,018
6) Kirby: Nightmare 267,727
7) Super Mario Advance 2 256,325
Notice anything? Look at LttP. Pretty much a Capcom port of the SNES code of LttP (with 4 swords co-op game of course). This mofo is gonna rank in the units before it's all said and done.
Then we have Fusion. A new game that probably cost Nintendo about 1 million clams at most to make.
Yoshi's Island. Again reworked code that had already made several Nintendo employees superstars amongst thier own ranks.
Kirby Nightmare. Again, this was the NES Kirby Dreamland. Nintendo had a couple of artists add new bg artwork. Too shrt a supply and high demand limited this one. It could have done 500,000 easily. Goes to show you even Kirby (a relatively lesser Nintendo franchise), is greater than most companies' most treasured character.
Lastly SMA. Also old reworked code that had already raked in millions of $$$$ years ago.
Now if one wants to criticise Nintendo for "rehashing" than that's fine. But I just wanted to show people (namely the 'doom' sayers) that this is how Nintendo teaches Profit 101.
Johnny Awesome
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Nintendo's luck won't last forever. The market is changing. Who would have thought they would be at 14% marketshare right now in the US? None of you guys are listening, but the Cube is falling behind due to Nintendo's stubborness.
Microsoft realized they had a problem with younger gamers, so they bought Rare.
Nintendo is too stubborn to realize that Celda is not the solution to their marketshare woes.
Microsoft realized they had a problem with younger gamers, so they bought Rare.
Nintendo is too stubborn to realize that Celda is not the solution to their marketshare woes.
Johhny I agree that Nintendo is obtuse but that apparantly has'nt bothered thier profit too much. Look at the last 5 years..you know the ones where Nintendo took a beating from Sony and co? Nintendo's profit has gone up every year. Now I'm sure that natural law dictates that this wont happen every year but if anything Nintendo will trim some expenses and keep right one rolling.
The market has shown at the rate it's growing it's more than capable of feeding all three companies plenty of $$ each year. And 'If' Nintendo is the one that will come in 3rd, than I'd feel better that 'they' are the ones who can make a profit moreso than a jewish banker. i kid ha!
The market has shown at the rate it's growing it's more than capable of feeding all three companies plenty of $$ each year. And 'If' Nintendo is the one that will come in 3rd, than I'd feel better that 'they' are the ones who can make a profit moreso than a jewish banker.
i kid ha!BenSkywalker
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Vince-
I bolded the important parts this time
Johnny-
Animal Crossing
Sonic
Luigi's Mansion
ResidentEvil
MarioParty4
Can't find the sales stats for Europe right now, but StarFox is close with just the US and Japan and RogueLeader should be about at the million mark also. Somewhere between ten and twelve versus four. Nintendo's weakness in the US is also a big strength for them on a bottom line basis, their games appeal to a much wider audience then late teen early twenty western gamers.
Evil-
In terms of the console market the US is almost as large as Europe and Japan combined.
I bolded the important parts this time
Johnny-
Animal Crossing
Sonic
Luigi's Mansion
ResidentEvil
MarioParty4
Can't find the sales stats for Europe right now, but StarFox is close with just the US and Japan and RogueLeader should be about at the million mark also. Somewhere between ten and twelve versus four. Nintendo's weakness in the US is also a big strength for them on a bottom line basis, their games appeal to a much wider audience then late teen early twenty western gamers.
Evil-
In terms of the console market the US is almost as large as Europe and Japan combined.
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