Digitimes says R400 in second half
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That was their plan all along wasn't it? Aside from the speculation that it wouldn't come this year due to the "r350 will assure we will have the performance lead throughout the year" comment. As I said in that topic, just because the r350 will assure performance lead, doesn't mean r400 isn't coming this year.
megadrive0088
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ATI has had R400 planned for 2nd half of this year since before the R300 was launched in July. even before E3's showing of R300 running Doom3.
R400 is ATI insurance that they will not be surpassed by Nvidia with Nv35 this year. even if a .13 R350/ 9900 Pro, 256 MB, DDRII/GDDR3, 500 Mhz core cant for some reason.
who know if it will actually come out, but it has been the plan all along.
David Orton said he was more excited about R400 than R300, IIRC.
R400 is ATI insurance that they will not be surpassed by Nvidia with Nv35 this year. even if a .13 R350/ 9900 Pro, 256 MB, DDRII/GDDR3, 500 Mhz core cant for some reason.
who know if it will actually come out, but it has been the plan all along.
David Orton said he was more excited about R400 than R300, IIRC.
Interesting that now the R400 is competing with NV35 and not NV40.
Nebuchadnezzar
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epicstruggle said:
That was always the case, like the NV30 is now strugling with R350 instead of R300.
It'll be competing with whatever is out at the time. If the nv40 isn't out when the r400 is but the nv35 is, wouldn't it make sense that it's competing with the nv35? Then again, the r300's biggest competitor for the last 6 months has been the nv30 even though it wasn't out. What with all the people who didn't get the 9700 because the nv30 was just around the corner.
Hellbinder
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They are releasing "Something" in the Second half. And it will more than Doubble the performance over the R300 in some areas. However it is not the R400. At least not the R400 that was initially slated for Release in August that everyones been rumoing about. Its something different. Even if the Final chip name ends up being R400 (which i doubt).
Either its not on the schedule to have the R400 in stores for Christmas, or he's got no faith in the design schedule. 
Just so people don't think I'm dreaming it up
http://www.reuters.com/financeQuote....O&infotype=news&compname=NVIDIA+CORP
Though the GeForce FX has surpassed the Radeon 9700 on some benchmarks, Rolston claimed that with R350, ATI would have the best-performing chip through at least the end of the calendar year. Such claims of higher performance are key for the graphics chip industry since the games and video applications that they drive require intense processing power
http://www.reuters.com/financeQuote....O&infotype=news&compname=NVIDIA+CORP
Though the GeForce FX has surpassed the Radeon 9700 on some benchmarks, Rolston claimed that with R350, ATI would have the best-performing chip through at least the end of the calendar year. Such claims of higher performance are key for the graphics chip industry since the games and video applications that they drive require intense processing power
Of course Dave isn't going to say the R400 is going to come out and outperform what's here now... They're only just now announcing R350.
We all know and expect it, but from a PR standpoint they cannot talk about unannounced products lest they hurt current board selling...
Just remember that they won't discuss unannounced products and you have the answer to what Dave meant with the R350 comment.
We all know and expect it, but from a PR standpoint they cannot talk about unannounced products lest they hurt current board selling...
Just remember that they won't discuss unannounced products and you have the answer to what Dave meant with the R350 comment.
thank you Ostsol and ben6, that was exactly what i was thinking of. just goes to show the confusion of interpretation.
anyway, i took it to mean that they saw what the fx could do and decided that the r400 could wait for low-k and other refinements to available, pushing it off into 2004. a more direct way avoid saying anything about the r400 would have been to simply say he believed the r350 would keep the lead though its indented product cycle, thereby avoiding any confusion as to their previously announced market plans. granted that is all speculative, just figured i would throw it out for discussion.
anyway, i took it to mean that they saw what the fx could do and decided that the r400 could wait for low-k and other refinements to available, pushing it off into 2004. a more direct way avoid saying anything about the r400 would have been to simply say he believed the r350 would keep the lead though its indented product cycle, thereby avoiding any confusion as to their previously announced market plans. granted that is all speculative, just figured i would throw it out for discussion.
Actually his exact words were:
"it will ensure that we mantain that performance leadership atleast throughout this calender year."
From here (~6:10=7:00 mark)
I don't see how people interpret that as saying that they won't release the r400 this year.. to me it just says that the r350 should be faster than anything nVidia releases before ATI replaces the r350 (i.e. with the r400, or the 256MB version of the r350), and that the product that replaces that part will remain the fastest until the end of the year.
Mantaining the performance lead for a year doesn't just mean you have to have the fastest chip at the beginning and end of the year, but everything inbetween too.
"it will ensure that we mantain that performance leadership atleast throughout this calender year."
From here (~6:10=7:00 mark)
I don't see how people interpret that as saying that they won't release the r400 this year.. to me it just says that the r350 should be faster than anything nVidia releases before ATI replaces the r350 (i.e. with the r400, or the 256MB version of the r350), and that the product that replaces that part will remain the fastest until the end of the year.
Mantaining the performance lead for a year doesn't just mean you have to have the fastest chip at the beginning and end of the year, but everything inbetween too.
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