Joe DeFuria said:
Mariner said:
Hmm. It would appear as though Kyle has decided to counter this story by attempting to undermine ExtremeTech's credibility, motives and ethics.
Exactly, and that's what in particular has me
pissed off about the HardOCP "position."
I will
NEVER visit HardOCP again as long as Kyle is in charge. "And this time, I mean it."
I have to say I agree completely.
The really odd thing to me is why anybody would think being selected by nVidia to showcase a made-for-nVidia Doom III demo was an honor, when the sole purpose of the software was not to showcase Doom III but to showcase nVidia's upcoming nv35 against ATi's currently shipping 9800P in a very prejudiced and biased manner. How is it "honorable" to compare the performance of two 3D cards when one of them isn't even shipping but is using Doom III-demo optimized drivers and the other is shipping but using a set of drivers for which the same Doom III demo was never a consideration? How is it that Kyle would think this was some sort of "honor" that a site like ExtremeTech would be upset that it did not receive? Sure beats me.
To that end Kyle's assumed "motive" here is preposterous. I would think that the web sites not "blessed" in this manner would today be thanking their lucky stars that they were "passed over"....
What a dubious "honor," indeed.
Considering that ET doesn't even have a valid reason to be upset in the first place, how then could Kyle make the second mistake of completely ignoring the fact that ET's expose' had nothing whatever to do with the nVidia-sponsored Doom III demo at all. Nowhere in the ET article is "Doom III" even remotely alluded to. Rather, ET's article was based on the recently released Detonator driver set. How is it that Kyle became so confused about that? There is nothing in the ET article that could cause such confusion.
So my own pet theory as to the answer to the questions I've posed is that Kyle has failed to recognize how his site was used (as opposed to being "honored") in a very unscrupulous scheme by nVidia to attempt to discredit ATi as a competitor. Kyle however saw this event as some sort of "coup" scored for [H] it would appear. Imagine his angst and disdain, then, when ET breaks a story on nVidia's driver cheats. In his mind his thunder was being stolen and his "coup" was being spoiled--somehow. And so he lashes out in anger at ET with a bunch of wild and irrational accusations of a very personal nature--and utterly fails to prove a single one of them. In fact, he doesn't even try to prove them. He simply rails and accuses and does not attempt to make a case of any type.
Further, Kyle makes the very curious confession that "the first thing which crossed his mind" after he read the ET article was that this was a brilliant plan devised by nVidia in order to discredit 3DMark 03. There are several logical inconsistencies with such a statement.
First of all, in order to have this evolve as a plan by nVidia, nVidia would have had to have known it was going to get caught, because if nVidia did not get caught its plan to "discredit" the benchmark would have failed.
Second, according to ET, nVidia is blaming a "bug" in its drivers for what ET has discovered. Had this been a plan to discredit the benchmark all along nVidia would not have discredited itself by admitting to driver bugs, but rather would have taken the opportunity to discredit the benchmark according to plan.
Third, the possibility of such a thing occuring by accident within 3D Mark as the result of an unintentional driver bug is virtually nil, and less likely than a massive lightning bolt hitting the nVidia offices and killing everyone inside and effectively ending the corporation...
Thus, by providing such a flimsy excuse, nVidia merely further discredited itself and again failed to take the opportunity to discredit the benchmark.
Fourth, it defies reason altogether to think that upon reading the ET piece the "first thing" one might think of is that this was all some sort of brilliant master plan undertaken by nVidia...*chuckle* Rather, I submit that the "first thing" one might think after reading this piece is that nVidia was cheating on its drivers relative to the 3D Mark benchmark in order to inflate the performance numbers for its upcoming nv35 products.
This, however, is truly the first thing I thought of after reading Kyle's vicious personal attack on ET:
The piece in ET undermined the efforts of Kyle to promote nVidia at the expense of ATi with the rigged Doom III demo "article." I submit that Kyle was far more upset by this than ET was upset by being passed over as a "recipient" of this "wonderful opportunity" provided by nVidia (snicker). Hence Kyle's ill-conceived, ill-advised personal diatribe against ET (and I would point out that the ET article had not one word in it about the Doom III demo OR about [H], let alone negative words about either.)
I would say only to Kyle that his "first thought" about the ET article as he reports it was a completely illogical one, and that he owed it to himself and his website to think about it far more deeply than he did before losing his temper over a matter that was never personally directed against him in the first place.
