Destiny [PS3,X360,PS4,XO]

[djskribbles]

I agree that legendary engram drops are far more rare. But rewards seem the same, if not better for me. As I said a page back, I've been having a good week in terms of rewards/drops. I've got Monte Carlo, 77 Wizard, Grim Citizen III, 3-4 pieces of legendary/exotic armor, a legendary shotgun (dismantled) as rewards/drops, all in the span of 3-4 days this past week. The week prior, I got at least 3 legendary weapons.

Mind you I run two characters (29 and nearly 28) and have been doing the nightfall, weekly and daily story missions with both characters. I've beat the raid a few times, but received nothing.

Yeah that Nightfall's a monster to solo this week...think I'm gonna put that on the backburner this week Dont know if it's worth buying an arc legendary just for this strike either, since my policy has been to not buy weapons.

It's not TOO bad to solo if you know where the 'safe spots' are. When the wizards spawn, go back up the stairs and shoot down the hallway. They won't follow you up. And for the boss, don't enter the room where the boss is, stay back and snipe him through the doorways. If he's out of sight when looking through the two doorways, run up and fire a few shots at him and he will move to the left so you can see him again. That thing that spawns and fires void blasts will come and go... just hang back and it as well as any wizards will disappear.
At the boss, some people also go to the back left of the room, behind the rocks. But I think the other way is more safe.

I have lots of coins this week, but I'm not too sure on the wisdom of buying exotics either, since you can only equip one, and that's gonna be ice breaker for the forseeable future for me. Granted you can switch but still.

IMO, exotic heavy weapons are a waste of a slot, unless it's something REALLY good like Gjahllarhorn. Icebreaker usually holds my exotic slot, unless I'm doing the raid where I'll use my void fusion rifle. A lot of the exotics I've come across aren't anything special. Exotics I've owned are:
The Truth
Icebreaker
Red Death
MIDA Multi-Tool
Pocket Infinity
Monte Carlo
Super Good Advice

The only one I use on a regular basis is Icebreaker. I use Pocket Infinity occasionally, and I'm kind of digging Monte Carlo but I just got it. Everything else I've either dismantled or I have a legendary that I prefer.

Edit: speaking of legendary drops, I just got an interesting pulse rifle from a purple engram called Strange Suspect. Its perks are field scout (extending clip from 30 to 42), and a full auto mode. Seems like the pulse rifle version of VoC.

 

[Strange]

It's a good idea to keep switching to setup correctly for the situation though you lose half ammo I suppose this could be made up with ammo synthesis. I hate the fact it's on cool down though and that cool down is across all three weapon types

Primaries don't lose ammo when you switch.

 

[Rangers]

Just did the Nightfall with a random tower invite party...wtf? That shiz is unbelievably easy with a 3 man team. Like, 10X easier.

Now I see why you guys thought it was no big deal

And all I got was an exotic chest piece for the wrong class. Two for two getting bad loot on nightfall's...

t minus 1 hour til Xur...

 

[Rangers]

Wow just had a great raid run. Got Gallahorn, Hezen Vengeance (Legendary RL, kinda redundant since it's solar just like Gallahorn but it's a legendary so I can keep it equipped with Ice Breaker), a actual cool looking ship, AND my first piece of raid armor , the legs whatever they are called! So excite about the last...

Great run...

I feel like I am really rolling now, with my alt it's just like applying a multiplier to the loot...granted I did not run the raid with my alt yet, but just that he contributes a lot already.

Oh and picked up Suros from Xur, though it kinda doesn't fit with my current loadout since it's gonna be super hard to give up ice breaker. Oh well I'm gonna play with it. Might get Crest of Alpha Lupi too but need to research it.

 

[Nisaaru]

Gjallarhorn and Thunderlord are definitely worth it.

 

[djskribbles]

Bought Suros as well and played around with it tonight. If you're a fan of ARs and scout rifles like me, you'll love it. But yeah, it will be hard to put icebreaker aside. Suros will be for anything close-mid range.

 

[orangpelupa]

Hmm I do think the random in the destiny is weird.

I keep getting the same exotic bounty for 3 times
I keep getting the same legendary fusion rifle for 2 times in a row

Raid:
I keep getting the same legendary ship 4 times.
I keep getting the same legendary arm armor two 2 times in a row
I keep getting chatterewhite numerous times and it gives nothing when dismantled.

Queen mission
I keep getting the same mission 3 times in a row. Useful when I get cosmodrome but annoying when i got anything else.

 

[Rangers]

Bought Suros as well and played around with it tonight. If you're a fan of ARs and scout rifles like me, you'll love it. But yeah, it will be hard to put icebreaker aside. Suros will be for anything close-mid range.

Regime only has an attack rating same as legendaries, which I guess all exotics do. So what makes it special? IMO that it has virtually no recoil. Making it a headshot/accuracy monster.

You could use it in lieu of a sniper/ice breaker if you really wanted, it's pretty effective on long range enemies. It wont be ideal but it'd work.

But yeah, IMO as it stands Ice Breaker is the best (PVE) weapon in the game bar none. I lean on it like a crutch to solo all kinds of hard stuff. It's absolutely ideal for cheesing bosses. And once you get used to it it's so hard to go back to a sniper where you actually have to collect ammo and reload...

If they nerf it, I hope they only nerf the "effectively unlimited ammo for any special" thing. I dont use that anyway, because well Ice Breaker is almost always the best anyway. Well, not ALWAYS I'm sure there's places unlmited other special ammo would be handy like on arc/void burn levels etc.

So yeah they can trash that part, say they nerfed it, and I'll be fine. After all that's a legit bug.

 

[djskribbles]

The way I see suros is that it's like an auto scout rifle when you ADS, and a more traditional AR when you shoot from the hip. It doesn't do as much damage per shot as a typical scout rifle, even when you ADS, but it has a much higher fire rate and high stability. Pair that with a 33 clip and it's still a very good weapon, even after the nerf.

Yeah icebreaker is probably the best PVE weapon. But there are certain missions where icebreaker isn't all that useful. Like today's heroic story mission (The Archive). Or the raid IMO. And when I play the tiger strike playlist (which aren't difficult) my play style is totally different.. I rush in guns blazing.

 

[orangpelupa]

i played todays the archive using icebreaker.

its awesome even in cramped area in the archive ishtar. When enemy far away i snipe them. When enemy jump close i shotgun them. (icebreaker works fine without aiming).

 

[Nisaaru]

And what do you do if they MOB you and you press desperately but the magazine is empty?

 

[NRP]

When you guys say "alt character", do mean another version of your main (say, another Warlock)? I wasn't aware you could transfer currency/material from one character to another.

By the way, I got an exotic weapon from an engram - Lord High Fixer hand cannon. The odd thing was I got it from a random low level Dreg on the lowest level patrol mission on the Cosmodrome. Wouldn't have expected that.

Edit:
Lord High Fixer is a Legendary, not an exotic. The engram description said "exotic elements", which I mistakenly assumed meant an exotic weapon. I'm a dumbass.

 

[Rangers]

The way I see suros is that it's like an auto scout rifle when you ADS, and a more traditional AR when you shoot from the hip. It doesn't do as much damage per shot as a typical scout rifle, even when you ADS, but it has a much higher fire rate and high stability. Pair that with a 33 clip and it's still a very good weapon, even after the nerf.

Yeah icebreaker is probably the best PVE weapon. But there are certain missions where icebreaker isn't all that useful. Like today's heroic story mission (The Archive). Or the raid IMO. And when I play the tiger strike playlist (which aren't difficult) my play style is totally different.. I rush in guns blazing.

Are you subbed to dattodoesdestiny on youtube? You should, I'm subbed to a few Destiny guys and he's one of my faves cause he seems more intelligent and less annoying than a lot of them. I think his group was like 2nd in the world to beat the raid. Anyways he put up a Xur video today (typical video going over what Xur is selling) and said Suros might be the very best gun in the game, including post-nerf...not sure whether that's for PVE or just overall though.

i played todays the archive using icebreaker.

its awesome even in cramped area in the archive ishtar. When enemy far away i snipe them. When enemy jump close i shotgun them. (icebreaker works fine without aiming).

Yeah you can still use icebreaker situationally on the archive. A sniper is almost always useful.

When you guys say "alt character", do mean another version of your main (say, another Warlock)? I wasn't aware you could transfer currency/material from one character to another.

Yeah. This is what the first guys in the world to hit 30 did. If you make an alt in the same class, once he hits 20, you can trade him your main's armor/guns and walla, you've got a 28 or whatever. You can then use this to run all the good stuff in the game up to 3x (if you had 2 alts). For example, run the weekly heroic for 9 coins on each char. Earn up to 27 coins per week instead of 9. Run the Raid multiple times a week for loot instead of once. Run the daily PE's and missions for ascendant material on each char. Etc.

From my experience you can trade everything except glimmer and vanguard marks (you trade stuff by putting them in storage then getting it out with the other char). Glimmer is global across all chars, so if you have 20k with your main your alt also has 20k. VG marks are stuck with each char. But, you can still buy stuff with marks (which is the only point of them anyway after all) and trade the stuff across chars. The only issue being it might take a bit of work to get Vanguard rank 2/3 on the alt to buy the good stuff.

To get a guy from 0 to level 20 probably takes I dunno, 10-12 hours.

Of course, it is a bit of a hassle trading your stuff from char to char, than it would be if you had multiple legit 28's. Course you should have enough "leftovers" to have your alt be 26+ anyway (although 28 is the ideal endgame level imo, and that may require some work on the alt).

So far I just have one alt, I'm fairly sure just upkeep and running stuff on two chars will suck all my time anyway. I may do a third at some point, maybe just get him a couple levels every night so I dont get bored of it.

Thing is I dont see alt's as a goal in themselves, especially same class alts. They're just a tool to get my main to 30 quicker. But it is also nice to just be able to trade guns you wouldn't have time for and stuff like "oh, I'll just trade this new legendary auto to my alt and check it out with him" or whatever.

It would be more fun to do a alt of different class by far, but getting a guy from 0 to 28 from scratch would take a lot more time. I mean I guess it wouldn't be too bad if you save your wrong class exotics etc.

 

[Strange]

From my experience you can trade everything except glimmer and vanguard marks (you trade stuff by putting them in storage then getting it out with the other char). Glimmer is global across all chars, so if you have 20k with your main your alt also has 20k. VG marks are stuck with each char. But, you can still buy stuff with marks (which is the only point of them anyway after all) and trade the stuff across chars. The only issue being it might take a bit of work to get Vanguard rank 2/3 on the alt to buy the good stuff.

To get a guy from 0 to level 20 probably takes I dunno, 10-12 hours.

Of course, it is a bit of a hassle trading your stuff from char to char, than it would be if you had multiple legit 28's. Course you should have enough "leftovers" to have your alt be 26+ anyway (although 28 is the ideal endgame level imo, and that may require some work on the alt).

So far I just have one alt, I'm fairly sure just upkeep and running stuff on two chars will suck all my time anyway. I may do a third at some point, maybe just get him a couple levels every night so I dont get bored of it.

Thing is I dont see alt's as a goal in themselves, especially same class alts. They're just a tool to get my main to 30 quicker. But it is also nice to just be able to trade guns you wouldn't have time for and stuff like "oh, I'll just trade this new legendary auto to my alt and check it out with him" or whatever.

It would be more fun to do a alt of different class by far, but getting a guy from 0 to 28 from scratch would take a lot more time. I mean I guess it wouldn't be too bad if you save your wrong class exotics etc.

All three characters use the same glimmer pool.
The only things that are not transferable are vanguard/crucible marks, skill level, and reputation.

And of course bounties and what not but you wouldn't want them transferable anyway.

 

[orangpelupa]

And what do you do if they MOB you and you press desperately but the magazine is empty?

its icebreaker
just keep running until the magazine refill by Traveller's magic

 

[Rangers]

http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2k8ark/endgame_gun_data_and_statistics/


Here is a bunch of weapon data (supposedly) by a guy on reddit.

So I'm usually only a consumer of Reddit but am deciding to break my streak because I think this might actually be useful to those curious like myself. After approaching exhaustion with the game content, I turned to an obsession with efficiency and started collecting stats on my current collection of end game primary weapons for max DPS, etc. Much of the info out there about how the attack stat and damage works seemed to be largely conjecture, and I wanted to investigate for myself. While the data may not actually influence my go to weapon of choice, I picked up some interesting tidbits that I thought I'd share. (I'm not aware of what's already been proven/common knowledge, so I'll just share everything that surprised me).

Level differences in your favor do not increase your damage output. However, you do ~33% less damage to enemies 1 level higher than you, ~45% less to enemies 2 levels higher than you, and ~53% less to enemies 3 levels higher than you. This seems to be true regardless of weapon.
Scout rifles and handcannons do less damage to Majors even for body shots, auto rifles do not have such a penalty.
Damage for a given gun is a linear function of the attack stat (impact seems to affect both the coefficient and the intercept). Note that the attack stat is a meaningless metric to compare between guns.
Relatedly, the attack stat is a raw damage multiplier for a given weapon and has nothing to do with being more effective against higher level enemies than lower level enemies.
There is no difference in the amount of damage done to a level 20 enemy all the way up until your level. It appears the only difference is the enemy's hitpoints. Damage against enemies less than level 20 seems to be scaled down to match the % of damage done to a level 20 enemy. Example with made up numbers: Suros headshot takes 50% of a level 20 vandal's 600 hitpoints doing 300 damage. Suros headshot will take ~50% of a level 10 vandal's 400 hitpoints doing 200 damage.

The comments does explain my incidence of damage not going up on a lower level mob when I upgraded attack

–]aaronislame 1 point 9 hours ago

here is the link to the other thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...e_and_attack_and_why_you_should_upgrade_your/

Basically in their testing, once you hit a certain threshold, damage against lvl 1-X mobs was the same and only saw an increase in damage as the mob level approached player level.


[–]ZannX 1 point 8 hours ago

Yes, this post appears to be largely correct based on my own testing. There's a lot of misinformation about attack out there (I.e. the attack/10 theory). I posted this information in other threads and got downvoted.

One result of this though is that there are upgrades for legendaries/exotica that don't actually increase your damage despite increasing your attack because it didn't put you into the next threshold.

Also, according to his testing, Suros doesn't appear that great (post nerf). I always use Atheons Epilogue in the raid cause I always figured void damage for praetorian shields, plus oracle killer perk, = great. Now I'm beginning to second guess because I bet AE is not even as good as Suros, it might not even be close.

Still digesting his post.

 

[NRP]

Xur is selling Suros right now. I wish I had 23 strange coins. HTF is someone supposed to get 23 strange coins?

Anyway, I got another Legendary engram which gave me the Super POX pulse rifle. So far, it's not bad I guess.

 

[djskribbles]

It's not too hard to collect strange coin. The weekly heroic strike gives 3/6/9 strange coin for beating it at level 20/26/28 respectively. Plus you get them in blue engrams and as rewards. I have 52 strange coin after buying Suros this week (I run two characters though). And I also bought The Truth and Ice breaker not too long ago. They add up quick when you know where to get them.

 

[NRP]

I definitely want Icebreaker. A sniper with ammo regen will allow me to solo the much harder strikes (which is basically not possible now).

Anyway, I'm just about to Vanguard Rank 3 and was thinking about buying a Legendary. Is this a good idea, or should I save my Marks? I already have two legendary primaries (Lord High Fixer and POX). I think I read somewhere that after each Vanguard Rank above 3 you are gifted a Legendary anyway, so if true buying might be redundant. I do need better weapons right now though. I am in the middle of an exotic bounty which will eventually get me the Pocket Infinity fusion rifle.

If buying a Vanguard Legendary is a good idea, which one would you guys recommend? I was thinking either Shadow Price or Light/Beware. Or maybe one of the Scout Rifles?

Sorry for all the questions. I feel like a goddamn noob, even though I've been playing Bungie's games for over 10 years now.

 

[Nisaaru]

For what do you think you need the Marks otherwise if you have legendary armor? Buy weapons you think have potential and try them out. Shadow Price is an useful primary for instance. I have the Proxima Centauri II Scout already but I only use it for special jobs.

If you truly don't like one dismantle them for energy. I keep my legendary weapons and build them up either by using them directly or equip them before I go to the Tower to get my EXP from jobs and selling material.

P.S. The last 200 Marks i spent on armor to dismantle them for shards.