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Dell&HP slam "erroneous" Intel/MS HDDVD claims
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scooby_dooby
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"the two companies conveniently ignored the fact they were talking about dual-layer HD DVD discs and single-layer BDs."
The article didn't ignore that at all. It explicitly discussed teh fact that 2Layer BD discs were still not ready for mass production. Why didn't Dell & HP respond to that much more important point?? Instead deflecting the issue...."When will 2layer BD discs be ready??" That's the question BRA should be respnsing too...
"Dell and HP also challenged MS and Intel on their claim that HD DVD is the only format to allow users to make controlled copies of the content stored on the disc: that's part of the AACS copy-protection system, the BDA said, and AACS is also part of the BD spec."
The didn't make that claim. They said BD had once been commited but is now dragging it's feet, again they didn't respond to the problem, why the Spec are NOT finalized...merely deflect the issue with saying "well it's in the specs..." even though specs are not finalized after all this time (dragging their feet)
"BD also provides scope for hybrid discs"
The article never claimed BD didn't provide "scope" for hybrid discs, whatever "scope" is supposed to mean. The article claimed the hybrid was still not ready for mass-production, which Dell again, didn't address that issue head on. "WHy are hyrbid discs still not ready for mass production?? What's the problem?"
The article didn't ignore that at all. It explicitly discussed teh fact that 2Layer BD discs were still not ready for mass production. Why didn't Dell & HP respond to that much more important point?? Instead deflecting the issue...."When will 2layer BD discs be ready??" That's the question BRA should be respnsing too...
"Dell and HP also challenged MS and Intel on their claim that HD DVD is the only format to allow users to make controlled copies of the content stored on the disc: that's part of the AACS copy-protection system, the BDA said, and AACS is also part of the BD spec."
The didn't make that claim. They said BD had once been commited but is now dragging it's feet, again they didn't respond to the problem, why the Spec are NOT finalized...merely deflect the issue with saying "well it's in the specs..." even though specs are not finalized after all this time (dragging their feet)
"BD also provides scope for hybrid discs"
The article never claimed BD didn't provide "scope" for hybrid discs, whatever "scope" is supposed to mean. The article claimed the hybrid was still not ready for mass-production, which Dell again, didn't address that issue head on. "WHy are hyrbid discs still not ready for mass production?? What's the problem?"
Mortal Kombat!!!!
Doo dooODoood DODoododoDoo
I love how two giants are firing back at each other like that. This is so fricken cool.
Doo dooODoood DODoododoDoo
I love how two giants are firing back at each other like that. This is so fricken cool.
Uhm i didn't really post the article so that we could start a quote-athon which will inevitably turn into a flame-athon over the technical abilities of either format, which has been discussed to death and i'm so bored of it it's not even funny.
I posted it to show that Dell and HP don't agree with MS, and don't seem to be "submitting themselves" to MS power and suddenly switch sides, like some people here were saying.
I posted it to show that Dell and HP don't agree with MS, and don't seem to be "submitting themselves" to MS power and suddenly switch sides, like some people here were saying.
scooby_dooby said:
All the things your saying that the "article didn't say" is more or less EXACTLY what they didn't say. They listed all the things HD-DVD can do and made it appear as though Blu-Ray was at a disadvantage because of this (when it really wasn't). Also, can Dual-Layer HD-DVD be released right now?
scooby_dooby
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MEh it looks like PR rubbish to me.
IMO, there were a number of good points in the MS/Intel article, instead of refuting these claims head on, they just put words in Wintel's mouth, and then dance around the issue.
For example, a true rebuttal would say, DL discs are doable and will be out at XXXX date, hybrid discs are a reality and will be ready for mass-production at XXXX date, it's true our standards are still unfinished yet they wil be done with XXXX months...etc etc
Instead of refuting the actual claims they just play PR games, so to me that says they're hiding some problems and wintel hit the nail on the head.
IMO, there were a number of good points in the MS/Intel article, instead of refuting these claims head on, they just put words in Wintel's mouth, and then dance around the issue.
For example, a true rebuttal would say, DL discs are doable and will be out at XXXX date, hybrid discs are a reality and will be ready for mass-production at XXXX date, it's true our standards are still unfinished yet they wil be done with XXXX months...etc etc
Instead of refuting the actual claims they just play PR games, so to me that says they're hiding some problems and wintel hit the nail on the head.
HD-DVD Delayed USA
Looks like Tochiba will delay HD-DVD in the USA.....
From Japan today...
Toshiba puts off launch of HD DVD players in U.S.
Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 07:33 JST
TOKYO — Toshiba Corp will put off its launch of next-generation DVD players on the U.S. market until at least February, from the initially targeted introduction this year, an executive said Wednesday.
Yoshihide Fujii, Toshiba's corporate senior vice president, said it had to change the plan because U.S. film studios' supply of their movies in its HD DVD format was expected to be delayed.
Looks like Tochiba will delay HD-DVD in the USA.....
From Japan today...
Toshiba puts off launch of HD DVD players in U.S.
Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 07:33 JST
TOKYO — Toshiba Corp will put off its launch of next-generation DVD players on the U.S. market until at least February, from the initially targeted introduction this year, an executive said Wednesday.
Yoshihide Fujii, Toshiba's corporate senior vice president, said it had to change the plan because U.S. film studios' supply of their movies in its HD DVD format was expected to be delayed.
I thought the lack of direct contradiction was pretty transparent.RavenFox said:
Anyway, MS has already made something of a response to this. It more or less says exactly what I would say: they didn't disprove MS but tried very hard to make it sound like they did.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050929-5366.html
I don't really get why MS and Intel got involved, but I REALLY don't get why HP and Dell are so involved. All they do is package materials and install software. Big freakin' whoop. Why are they so fanatic about Blu-Ray?
scooby_dooby
Legend
avaya said:
"Microsoft said that HD DVD was launching at 30GB, and that a spring launch was a certainty (Toshiba is reportedly aiming for February)."
"Blu-ray has not proven a manufacturing process for 50GB discs outside of carefully controlled lab environments. "
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050929-5366.html
Not taking one side or another--but this is FUNNY. HP/DELL are misrepresenting MS/Intel.scooby_dooby said:
Now MS/Intel may be misrepresenting the issue with their own spin to begin with (I will leave that to others to debate), but clearly the HP/DELL article was written by someone with selective reading skills. hahahaha Two words for everyone:
FORMAT WAR!
At this point it does not matter who is right. They obviously do NOT care enough to even honestly talk back and forth. Get back to the table and RESOLVE THIS boys. Make the big players happy so the small players can be happy.
If not I am gonna wait for the 1.3TB HVD (with 1Gb/s transfer; i.e. 125MB/s)
Oh god i've created (another) monster...
Alpha_Spartan
Regular
Wow. What great timing. It's obvious that the BR Group Rebuttal Taskforce was called out to give this half-assed strawman-laden retort. Where should I start?
Strawman #1. Wintel's argument was based on the viability (or the lack thereof) of dual layered BRD. Outside of the lab, there's no viable dual layered BRD, while there are actual dual layered HD-DVD's ready to be released in the wild. That was there argument. The BR group is definately led by Sony. They have a penchant for comparing vaporware to actual working hardware (okay, that was a low blow...withdrawn). Wintel was comparing viable product with viable product. If we're going to start arguing what should be the next gen format based on theoreticals, then someone forgot to give the Holographic Disc Group an invitation. Shit, they're format kills them both...theoretically. But isn't this about the viability of a format? I sure thought it was.
Strawman #2. Oh, so that's what the Ethernet port in the back of BD-Players is for, so you can get MPAA approval before you copy a movie to your HDD. What if I actually value my privacy? What if I don't want you to be privy to what the hell I do with what I pay for? Then I can't copy a movie? Try again.
Can they demo one outside the clean room? Anyone got any info on this?
Typical political bunk. I'd trust neutral Wintel over BR Group PR monkies. Again, the "more storage capacity" line means jack squat unless they can produce a model that works in the wild. I was waiting to hear from an undecided company (or companies) that chose Blu-Ray, but this is all we got. Obviously biased PR babble. I just want it straight.
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Alpha_Spartan said:
Unfortunatley, theres no such thing as neutrality in this case. Every company that harks on either BD or HD-DVD has some stakes in the Media itself. I'll let someone else make a rebutal to everything else you said.
