Watched the 2 interviews, kinda having a hard time grasping his English but from what I could understand or believe, CE3 console versions will have all the new features such as realtime global dynamic animations, deferred lighting and advanced shaders, but PC CE3 will have them more elaborated, due to the open ended architecture. So perhaps when everything all adds up, CE3 on consoles do indeed surpasse what's available on CE2 as stated by Mr.Yerli himself. Excluding those UBER mods maybe.
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Well they showed off all those things in the CE3 techdemo. The thing is though about how many of those effects can really be used in games. All the things together will require lots of processing power as evident by the techdemo where few things together had a large perfomacne impact. But sure CE3 surpasses CE2 capabilities but you need enough powerful hardware to do it and take into account the size of the gameworld/levels.
L. Scofield
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Mhh, who knows, but it's definately not indirect lighting.
I don't think they showed the global illumination in those videos.
You can have all the features in the game, I suppose that would all depend on the on screen requirement, I'm sure some scenarios doesn't require everything at once while those big climax scenes may be more troublesome. Whether Crytek engineers optimized the engine efficient enough for that kind of trouble or yet to is still unknown. Though he kept talking about how the consoles have achieved Crysis visual and more, do gives me more confidence on the engine's capability.
Well Crysis visuals starts at low and ends at very high/custom. Not saying we will not see amazing games as I hope for that and multiplatform to. :smile:
I'm not taking his words literally of course, he's talking in more of a general form so I know it wont be pixel for pixel. But in a way, it would be hard to compare them due to their different features. But for now I'll wait for a proper game based on CE3 before furthering any conclusion.
green.pixel
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First game not before 2010:
Anyone ?
I have a question. Crytek says that the engine is going to target next-gen consoles as well, because it's scalable. How they are planning to do that without rewriting the engine for a new and possibly vastly different architecture ? Or maybe they know something about PS4/X720 that we don't ?
Anyone ?
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Well I think it is a pretty safe assumption that next gen consoles will use a future version/derivation of DX.
As for the CPU in the "worst" case they will use improved versions of current ones, so unless they change for a worst PPC design there is no problems here, if they go for a X86 CPU any todays dualcore is better than XeCPU and compatible with CE3.
IMO this means if it runs in todays consoles, it can only be better in future ones (and it can be as "easy" as turning some features on).
Consoles will NEVER hit Crysis levels, they might match it in certain areas but anyone who really thinks that the consoles can even come close Crysis running at V-High needs a reality check.
CryEngine 3 might be more advanced then Cryengine 2 but its how many of these new enhancments the consoles can actually run and from what ive seen they fall very short of even Cryengine 2 in alot of areas.
Shadow res, texture res, draw distance, effects, shaders....the list goes on.
For the hardware the consoles are packing the results Crytek have hit are amazing but saying that CryEngine 3 on consoles has achieved more then CryEngine 2 on PC is nothing more then them hyping up the engine and all this talk from people who think and talk about consoles matching and beating CryEngine 2 should really go and play Crysis at V-High settings because its silly.
Consoles are a mix of Cryengine 2 with Medium/Low settings + a few of CryEngine 3 enhancments tacked on the side.
I hope that the engine does turn out to run amazing and that Crytek clean up the framerate as console gamers deserve to get some sort of Crysis spin-off and Crytek should get a pat on the back for actually bothering to do a console speciffic engine and not pwn off a shoddy CryEngine 2 port, i hope other developers follow them and start doing the same
I don't agree with you, actually I think it's very well possible to get close and surpass the quality delivered by Crysis on PC, through good use of the fixed hardware and the shortcuts possible on consoles that are pretty much excluded when working on PC, smart asset creation, a bit of creativity and the use of a more advanced engine.
I'm not doubting you guys or anything but that I can't wait to see.
I think it'll really be something if you can surpass Crysis at Very High levels on the consoles - especially if all the new features appear on the consoles (like the GI!).
Regardless, I can't wait see more!
That sounds very promising Fran, can't wait for a CE3 based game. I know I'm pushing my luck here but are you guys gonna announce anything this E3?
If that were the case then no offense Fran but what the hell were Crytek playing at with CE2?
Since a 4870 is pretty much a minimum to get smooth framerates at very high in Crysis even at console resolutions, that would mean you need a GPU with around 4 times the raw power of a console GPU simply to produce the same results?
Squeezing a little extra juice out of a fixed platform is to be expected but 4x the performance of the equivilent PC setup? That to me suggests exremely poor use of the PC setup.
Carmack has stated you get roughly ~2X speedup by using fixed console hardware. Given a game like KZ2 running on essentially a 7800GTX, that seems about right to me. Heck, if not more considering it's all done on a measly 512MB RAM!
So 4X may be extreme, but "a little extra juice" hardly cuts it from the other direction either.
Man, it's like asking what the Romans were playing at when they invented the War Charriot; they could have invented directly a modern Tank
green.pixel
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During all those pre-release Crysis demonstrations, announcements and interviews Cevat did, I remember they said it would work fine in high resoulutions on 8800GTX/DX10 class hardware, but when it came out, it was hovering around 30fps in 1280x1024 VeryHigh. What happened in the meantime ?
And even today, we need massive GPU power for 1080p VH and playable framerate.
How come optimizations sort of "hit and miss" PCs all the time ?
Do you have a link for that ? I would like to read it.
And 2x speedup in comparasion to what ? Same GPU in a PC ?
And even today, we need massive GPU power for 1080p VH and playable framerate.
How come optimizations sort of "hit and miss" PCs all the time ?
Do you have a link for that ? I would like to read it.
And 2x speedup in comparasion to what ? Same GPU in a PC ?
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If you watch the Crytek GDC interview on GameTrailers.com, they have someone playing the 360 demo in the background (according to GT) and it looks pretty good and smooth! Quite some pop-up but hey, it's to be expected. I hope that, as someone previously said, they eventually use fade-in/out instead of pop-up.
I hope this means that the PC version will look somewhat better or at least the same AND run much smoother than a CE2 game in the same PC.
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