Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) (SARS-CoV-2) [2020]

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  1. pascal

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    Better delay and wait 2 weeks after the second shot.
     
  2. zed

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    Depends on the person a fair chunk of the population get covid without even knowing (less than a headache, obviously the worse case scenario is worse than a headache), FWIW I think I've already had covid.
    If it was up to me I wouldnt go on holiday (my GF has holidays then and she wears the pants in this household), as I have always believed going on holiday during the summer is a dumb idea (tm) as its too hot to do things, crowded (this year is less so though due to covid) etc, Im an outdoor person , its like when I was living in holland each year during august when the weather was finally ideal (like 25 degrees) then great swathes of dutch ppl would go on holiday to the south of spain (cause nothing is better than basking under 40 degree sun ) that always blew my mind.

    cheers Albuquerque for the advise, yeah I did notice I was/am extra thirsty, though from studies a single shot of pfizer appears to work better than a 'fully vaccinated' 2 shots of AZ

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    AZ Overall efficacy 81% after a second dose taken 12 weeks or more after the first.

    Pfizer Vaccine efficacy (95% confidence interval) [%]
    ≥10 days after dose 1 and before dose 2 86.7 (68.6, 95.4)
    After dose 2 and within 7 days after 90.5 (61.0, 98.9)
     
  3. Mariner

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    Say hello to Delta. 33% efficacy after 1 dose of the Pfizer vaccine! Best to be fully vaccinated if at all possible, even if it means you're out of action of a day from your holiday.

    Delta has become the dominant variant in the UK quickly, easily displacing Alpha which is dominant elsewhere in Europe. Tends to indicate that Delta will soon be dominant across Europe as well. Get fully vaccinated as fast as you can!
     
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  4. Mariner

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    Bear in mind that Alpha was 50% more transmissible (and 50% more deadly as well) than the original wild type virus which caused the first wave of infections last year. Delta seems to be at least 50% more transmissible than Alpha (possibly more - how deadly remains to be seen) and is rife amongst children and young adults in the UK who weren't previously infected/infectious as often. Basically, more than twice as transmissible as the virus which appeared early last year.
     
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    Also bear in mind that the Pfizer trials were run before the likes of Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta had appeared. It still seems efficacious against these variants, but there is definitely reduced effect...
     
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    Yeah good advise, I'll see if I can change my next jab to be day to one in advance. Its very unlikely I will suffer any side effects anyways. My body is very robust, I've never noticed that I had the flu, I did have dengue fever once in cambodia but apart from that nothing. I suspect growing up on a farm and not being the cleanest prolly boosted my natural immunity.

    I wonder if its better to have a completely different vaccine for the 2nd jab?
    Surely this has been studied?
     
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    'Indian variant': What do we know about the B.1.617 COVID mutation that first emerged in India? | Euronews

    Will vaccines work against the B.1.617 variant?
    A recent UK study found that the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was 88% effective against the variant two weeks after the second dose. Two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine were 66% effective against the B.1.617 variant.

    Yet both vaccines were only 33% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 from B.1.617.2, three weeks after the first dose compared to around 50% against the B.1.1.7 variant that first emerged in the UK.

    (again I self sanction my words to people traveling while not fully vaccinated during an ongoing pandemic...)
     
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  8. zed

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    Does that also count for ppl leaving one of Europes most densely populated cities to a place with just ~5% of its population density :)
    To quote this guy HLJ
    Just saw this "Covid-19 pandemic: Chile capital locks down despite mass vaccination"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57436861
    and if you look here
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Chile

    interesting during the vaccine rollout compared to other vaccinated countries infections/deaths didnt really drop off much at all.
    I think what you get vaccinated with matters a hell of a lot, i.e. fully vaccinated sinovac = well better than nothing
     
  9. HLJ

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    A virus love hosts than travels around the world and help it spread.
    How do you think the pandemic got started in the first place?!

    I see you as part of the problem/pandemic...people like you help the virus, not the efforts to end the pandemic *insert flipped middle-finger*
     
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  10. zed

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    mate Im travelling like 100km away. Well anyways this part of the discussion has run its course :lol:
     
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    Excuses are plentiful amongst muppets :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, in Chile, the government was so pleased with how their vaccination programme was working that they opened their borders and lots of people holidayed elsewhere in South America, bringing back a whole new wave of infections with the partially vaccinated and unvaccinated the ones suffering most.

    Here in the UK, our government was so pleased with how the vaccination programme was going that they didn't really pay attention to the Indian, now Delta, variant, even when all hell was breaking out across there. No attempt to watch the spread or stop cases being imported, mostly because Johnson was aiming to have a big PR trip to visit Modi in India and try to sign a new trade deal. That, of course, couldn't take place due to the catastrophic wave of infections and we had so many cases imported from India in the interim that the genie was well and truly out of the bottle. Bizarre, really, when you consider how keen they were to keep the South African Beta variant out of the UK - surge testing in areas where outbreaks were found and other strong methods. It has turned out that Delta has similar vaccine escape to Beta and is hugely more transmissible, but they didn't make any attempt to keep it out of the country!

    Now, the debate is whether all restrictions will be removed on 21st June. I'd like to think that the government couldn't be stupid enough to allow this, but they've done so many stupid and dishonest things throughout the course of the pandemic, that I'm not convinced they aren't.
     
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    I tend to find that there is an upper limit for intelligence...but it seems there is no lower bottom for stupidity...we have muppet politicians here in Denmark too...trying to "score cheap points" by wanting to end the sanctions...now.

    We have 25% fully vaccinated. (44% have first Pfizer, my self included)
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    Herd immunity requires 65-80%.

    I bet we will get a 3rd wave because of retarded politician...and people like zed.

    You cannot fix stupid...
     
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    Would you kindly not resort to personal attacks?
     
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    Not every gets sick :)

    The only side effect I got after the first pfizer injection was some pain in the arm for about 3 days. After the second injection, it was a bit more painful (though very tolerable) in the arm but lasted only about 1 day; before taking that 2nd injection I had taken 1g of paracetamol. That's all I got. I might have been lucky (or perhaps I'm less sensitive to pain due to having suffered from my back for so many years).

    Note I also drink a lot of water, but I always do that.
     
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    I’ve had Corona in April, two weeks of being really tired and having weird muscle pains, and once or twice a very mild fever (38C).

    I just got my Pfizer shot yesterday. Pain in the arm, like a bruise, and now really tired (day later), but I also worked really hard yesterday and this morning clearing bricks and setting up the pool and it’s pretty warm out.

    But definitely a bit more tired than usual.
     
  17. zed

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    I guess hes just not happy that I pointed out that when he claimed that "The spread of COVID will depend on 1 factor 1. How dense the population is."
    and I said thats theres also other factors that can help decrease the spread namely vaccines, facemasks.

    HCL Admiting when you make a mistake is a sign of intelligence, its how one learns, don't be afraid to admit you made a mistake, noone is always correct, Btw I was wrong when I said menorca is 100km away I just looked up, its like 220km. See not hard :)
    PS I dont mind the personal attacks, in fact I find them amusing (but then again I've always been a bit weird ;) )
     
  18. Albuquerque

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    Purely optional travelling while unvaccinated is a mistake. Admiting when you make a mistake is a sign of intelligence, per Zed.

    Was that a personal attack,or was it a statement of statistical fact as supported by a generous heaping pile of medical studies on this topc, a long history of travelling people spreading this shit further, and a topper flourish of your own little snarky comment?

    I'm leaning more towards the latter, honestly. BRiT will obviously decide for us both.
     
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  19. Mariner

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    Sounds as though the UK government has started briefing the media that the relaxation of restrictions (and current restrictions aren't particularly strong at present in any case) will be put back perhaps 4 weeks to mid-July. It would be sensible, but not perhaps as sensible as implementing further restrictions to some degree to try and curb the ongoing wave of infections (current R0 rate believed to be between 1.2 and 1.4) until a lot more doses of vaccines can be given.
     
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    The moment 60y+ people had been vaccinated was the moment that there are no valid justifications for any covid-restrictions. A handful of deaths is a small price for regular people to have an opportunity to live a normal live. The 16 or so months of fear porn has done its course... It's amazing how so many still cling onto that.
     
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