You probably never saw the big red sticker on every Gamecube Technically not ATI, but now they are.Tysan said:And btw ATI has never done a console graphic chip!! And is designing the Gpu for bot Rev and Xenon!!! Shocker news!!!
You probably never saw the big red sticker on every Gamecube Technically not ATI, but now they are.Tysan said:And btw ATI has never done a console graphic chip!! And is designing the Gpu for bot Rev and Xenon!!! Shocker news!!!
Megadrive1988 said:Tommy:
One thing that makes me wonder, is what led Sony to go this route instead of going at it alone?
pretty simple IMO. because Sony knows it graphics engineering capability is no where near that of Nvidia, at least in certain areas, so, best to get Nvidia on board. it makes perfect sense. match Sony's strong areas (computational power, bandwidth, manufacturing/fab process tech) with Nvidia's strong areas (texture mapping, features, shaders, image quality)
thop said:You probably never saw the big red sticker on every Gamecube Technically not ATI, but now they are.Tysan said:And btw ATI has never done a console graphic chip!! And is designing the Gpu for bot Rev and Xenon!!! Shocker news!!!
McFly said:They completly canceled their next GPU (NV50) not long ago, so this new (Cell?) GPU will be their real new GPU.
Fredi
rendezvous said:Did nVIDIA really cancel NV50 (or VN48 for that matter)?
Nvidia's NV50 canned
New things to come
By Fuad Abazovic: Friday 03 December 2004, 13:57
WE ARE told that Nvidia's next gen chip NV50 has been canned as well as the NV48 chip we reported on earlier in the week. I guess both were not fitting well into Nvidia's picture.
We don’t have any idea as yet what lead to such a decision, but Nvidia does apparently think it's now time to make its next breakthrough chip.
All we know is that Nvidia made a huge u-turn or a right turn in its roadmap as Intel describes it, and we don’t yet know where that leads.
We also know that Nvidia is very dedicated to win the graphic fight and to move away from the deadly embrace with ATI. In the current generation, it's not important what you get as both Nvidia and ATI cards are performing almost identically.
Nvidia still strongly believes that SLI is something that will become very important in the future. µ
Tysan said:Tuttle said:Tysan said:wow wow!! Calm down a bit, it was only a funny coment
Dont take it too serious, but its a fact that Sony has had to switch from a internal only graphic chip development to a joint venture with one of todays Graphic power houses and IMHO its a very wise decision, GS has some very good specs that makes up for its flaws but this kind of joint development with Nvidia can help Sony make a better balanced chip with less effort and probably better results than working alone.
And they should have done it earlier, I would have loved to see PSP Gpu designed with some Nvidias Ips to achieve good pixel shaders performance for example instead of the actual GS portable that even if its more balanced than Ps2 GS could have been better with this kind of colaboration.
So Sony needs lessons from NVIDIA who's only experience in the console market was the ridiculously costly desktop computer GPU bolted on to the xbox? Right...
So now you need experience in the console market to make good GPUs?
Thats new to me
[And btw ATI has never done a console graphic chip!! And is designing the Gpu for bot Rev and Xenon!!! Shocker news!!!]
Tuttle said:Tysan said:Tuttle said:Tysan said:wow wow!! Calm down a bit, it was only a funny coment
Dont take it too serious, but its a fact that Sony has had to switch from a internal only graphic chip development to a joint venture with one of todays Graphic power houses and IMHO its a very wise decision, GS has some very good specs that makes up for its flaws but this kind of joint development with Nvidia can help Sony make a better balanced chip with less effort and probably better results than working alone.
And they should have done it earlier, I would have loved to see PSP Gpu designed with some Nvidias Ips to achieve good pixel shaders performance for example instead of the actual GS portable that even if its more balanced than Ps2 GS could have been better with this kind of colaboration.
So Sony needs lessons from NVIDIA who's only experience in the console market was the ridiculously costly desktop computer GPU bolted on to the xbox? Right...
So now you need experience in the console market to make good GPUs?
Thats new to me
[And btw ATI has never done a console graphic chip!! And is designing the Gpu for bot Rev and Xenon!!! Shocker news!!!]
Do you think the GPU NVIDIA made for the xbox was a good console GPU?
Hahaha, I allready know it, but fact is that theres no ATI technology in the flipper, ArtX couldnt take advantage of ATIs Ips because the chip was allready finished when ATI bought ArtX.
They did put a nice sticker though Wink
Of course ArtX crew now works at ATI, my comment just was an ironic reply to Nvidia/expensive/xbox/chip bit.
McFly said:rendezvous said:Did nVIDIA really cancel NV50 (or VN48 for that matter)?
The Inq said:Nvidia's NV50 canned
yada yada yada
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20034
Fredi
McFly said:rendezvous said:Did nVIDIA really cancel NV50 (or VN48 for that matter)?
Nvidia's NV50 canned
New things to come
By Fuad Abazovic: Friday 03 December 2004, 13:57
WE ARE told that Nvidia's next gen chip NV50 has been canned as well as the NV48 chip we reported on earlier in the week. I guess both were not fitting well into Nvidia's picture.
We don’t have any idea as yet what lead to such a decision, but Nvidia does apparently think it's now time to make its next breakthrough chip.
All we know is that Nvidia made a huge u-turn or a right turn in its roadmap as Intel describes it, and we don’t yet know where that leads.
We also know that Nvidia is very dedicated to win the graphic fight and to move away from the deadly embrace with ATI. In the current generation, it's not important what you get as both Nvidia and ATI cards are performing almost identically.
Nvidia still strongly believes that SLI is something that will become very important in the future. µ
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20034
Fredi
McFly said:rendezvous said:Did nVIDIA really cancel NV50 (or VN48 for that matter)?
Nvidia's NV50 canned
New things to come
By Fuad Abazovic: Friday 03 December 2004, 13:57
WE ARE told that Nvidia's next gen chip NV50 has been canned as well as the NV48 chip we reported on earlier in the week. I guess both were not fitting well into Nvidia's picture.
We don’t have any idea as yet what lead to such a decision, but Nvidia does apparently think it's now time to make its next breakthrough chip.
All we know is that Nvidia made a huge u-turn or a right turn in its roadmap as Intel describes it, and we don’t yet know where that leads.
We also know that Nvidia is very dedicated to win the graphic fight and to move away from the deadly embrace with ATI. In the current generation, it's not important what you get as both Nvidia and ATI cards are performing almost identically.
Nvidia still strongly believes that SLI is something that will become very important in the future. µ
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20034
Fredi
no, because this has been in the works for a lot more than the time since NV50 was delayed/cancelled/whatever you want to call it.Just like ATI canned the original R400 so it could use it to design the Xbox2 vpu, did Nvidia can the NV50 so it could use it to design the PS3 gpu?
McFly said:function said:I find it interesting that the GeForce GPU he mentions is their "next generation" GPU. Could it be that he literally means the generation after the Nv4XX? Is that expected to be a particularly revolutionary architecture? Would separate vertex shaders in a console with a CPU as fast as Cell even be necessary?
They completly canceled their next GPU (NV50) not long ago, so this new (Cell?) GPU will be their real new GPU.
Fredi
rendezvous said:Did you even read the whole post i made?
I stated that it was a rumour from the inq.
That means that i don't want a quote of the very same rumour.
Mulciber said:edit: what the hell is a console gpu anyways?
OK, I chanced my arm again with NVidia's PR, and was told this:
"Although we cannot comment on technical details, I can tell you that the
GPU is a custom version of NVIDIA's next generation GPU, which is not
Cell based."
edit:
I asked him to clarify if he meant both Nvidia's next-gen GPU and the PS3 GPU would not be cell-based and he replied:
"I can just comment on NVIDIA's next generation GPU which is not cell
based."
Which presumably still leaves the door open to cell tech making its way into the GPU. Although NVidia's PC cards won't be cell-based, at least not for the immediate future.
I also asked about whether any nvidia chip was included in the cell workstations which had been delivered to developers, but he said he couldn't answer that.
bbot said:Just like ATI canned the original R400 so it could use it to design the Xbox2 vpu, did Nvidia can the NV50 so it could use it to design the PS3 gpu?