Church elects its first gay bishop

I don't know about the US, but atleast in Ontario there are 'age windows' where a minor can have legal sex with an adult. IIRC, its something like at 14, a '4 year window', and again at 16. I know this is a fact, since my buddy works in a law office, and when I was courted by a particularly cute 17 year old a few years back, I called some people to make sure it was legal (I was 21 at the time, and it was legal) :)

That's pretty fucked up about the 17 and 18 yearold thing though.
 
We'll see if the guy is innocent or not. Allegations are just that. And please joe, must you be so childish, i.e. the sig? No one went along quoting you with your beastiality comparisons did they?
 
You seem to gladly quote stuff that makes Bush look like a monster.

Somebody around here is quoting me about me eating my enemies; And somebody else has picked up some inane quote from me about curious dieting and how to lose weight.

Apparently, saying stupid things means you get quoted.
 
Natoma said:
We'll see if the guy is innocent or not. Allegations are just that.
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Agreed.

And please joe, must you be so childish, i.e. the sig?
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It's no more "childish" than your quote slamming Bush, agree? Not only is it childish, it disrespects the memory that fallen soldier who gave his life for you.

No one went along quoting you with your beastiality comparisons did they?
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Is there a quote of mine related to beastiality that I would object to? ;)
 
Natoma,

Allegations are just that. And please joe, must you be so childish, i.e. the sig? No one went along quoting you with your beastiality comparisons did they?
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Something else interesting, please don't think I am sticking up for Joe and his quote or splitting hairs. It is just something that I find interesting (I do that a lot). You quote Prez Bush and his "Bring it on" comment. Maybe I read too much into it, but it sounded like the woman that lost her son blamed Prez Bush's comment on her son's death. People die in war and in armed combat comments or no. I thought that quote on your sig was there just to rile people up. /shrug

Dr. Ffreeze
 
Dr. Ffreeze said:
Natoma,

That is the very definition of perfect. The absence of imperfection.
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Please see discussions of Natural or Constitutional....

=P
Dr. Ffreeze
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Yea........

Perfect still means without blemish, lacking nothing, lacking defect.

So if god created us perfect, how could we mess up then? How can a defect form from something that is inherently in every way perfect? And if god is perfect, how could god create anything imperfect since god is the essence of perfection?
 
RussSchultz said:
You seem to gladly quote stuff that makes Bush look like a monster.

Somebody around here is quoting me about me eating my enemies; And somebody else has picked up some inane quote from me about curious dieting and how to lose weight.

Apparently, saying stupid things means you get quoted.
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It would seem so wouldn't it.
 
Joe DeFuria said:
And please joe, must you be so childish, i.e. the sig?
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It's no more "childish" than your quote slamming Bush, agree? Not only is it childish, it disrespects the memory that fallen soldier who gave his life for you.
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Not at all. That was the aunt of that soldier who said it.

Joe DeFuria said:
No one went along quoting you with your beastiality comparisons did they?
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Is there a quote of mine related to beastiality that I would object to? ;)
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Whether or not you would object to it would not make any of your comments regarding the beastiality/homosexuality/natural debate any more intelligent.
 
Actually, I don't think it says anywhere in the bible that god made man perfect.

Quite the opposite, actually. One of the primary tenets of Christianity is that we are born sinners.
 
Dr. Ffreeze said:
Natoma,

Allegations are just that. And please joe, must you be so childish, i.e. the sig? No one went along quoting you with your beastiality comparisons did they?
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Something else interesting, please don't think I am sticking up for Joe and his quote or splitting hairs. It is just something that I find interesting (I do that a lot). You quote Prez Bush and his "Bring it on" comment. Maybe I read too much into it, but it sounded like the woman that lost her son blamed Prez Bush's comment on her son's death. People die in war and in armed combat comments or no. I thought that quote on your sig was there just to rile people up. /shrug

Dr. Ffreeze
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Actually I quoted the aunt who lost a soldier. I didn't quote Bush. Her anger at the comments perfectly mirrored my own, and I qouted her.
 
RussSchultz said:
Actually, I don't think it says anywhere in the bible that god made man perfect.

Quite the opposite, actually. One of the primary tenets of Christianity is that we are born sinners.
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It says that god created man in his own image. The image of god is perfect (as is everything about god), so by proxy man would have to be perfect would he not?

Also, the "born sinner" part of Christianity has to deal with the sin that man had after adam and eve fell from grace in the garden of eden. That's the original sin that all man is supposedly cursed with.
 
Natoma said:
Not at all. That was the aunt of that soldier who said it.
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Correct.

The soldier did not say it.

Whether or not you would object to it would not make any of your comments regarding the beastiality/homosexuality/natural debate any more intelligent.
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That of course, is up to the readers to decide, isn't it? Of course, If you decide to quote me in your sig (not for any childish reasons, of course...you wouldn't do that...), it would be interesting to see how you can honestly represent any of my arguments with a succint, direct quote. I only quoted you, because that particular short, direct quote is not merely a comment of yours, but it is a pointed summation of your opinion when that debate began.
 
Joe DeFuria said:
Natoma said:
Not at all. That was the aunt of that soldier who said it.
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Correct.

The soldier did not say it.
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Yea......... :?

Joe DeFuria said:
Whether or not you would object to it would not make any of your comments regarding the beastiality/homosexuality/natural debate any more intelligent.
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That of course, is up to the readers to decide, isn't it? Of course, If you decide to quote me in your sig (not for any childish reasons, of course...you wouldn't do that...), it would be interesting to see how you can honestly represent any of my arguments with a succint, direct quote. I only quoted you, because that particular short, direct quote is not merely a comment of yours, but it is a pointed summation of your opinion when that debate began.
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There are plenty from that debate. But I wouldn't go around quoting, nor have I ever quoted, anyone from this or other messageboards. One example from another debate for instance. You made a very succinct comment comparing the "evils" of HMI to Jim Crow, but would I put that in a quote? Not at all, despite the very apparent absurdity of that comment. But that's my opinion on the matter. Consider it closed. You do what you wish.
 
Natoma,

So if god created us perfect, how could we mess up then? How can a defect form from something that is inherently in every way perfect? And if god is perfect, how could god create anything imperfect since god is the essence of perfection?
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I am a man, and I am proud. Pride is one downfall of man. I wish to understand God and His will and His reasoning's. I feel I am intelligent and quite gifted, yet there is no comparison. I am lower than the low. Try and explain quantum mechanics to a 1 year old. They can't even understand the language used let alone the subject matter. I should not demand complete understanding of my Lord and Savior. I should demand nothing. I should serve.

It is ok that I don't fully understand the reasons why or how, as we are not talking about America and rights as a citizen. We are talking about an entirely different scale of leaders and followers. I cannot even comprehend the scale, yet I do try (out of pride). He is my Savor, I will follow him to the best of my ability. I will strive to understand him and his wishes to the best of my ability. In all the things that I strive to do, I will fail miserably and out of Grace I have been saved. I should make no demands of my Lord.

When I look at these questions and try to see them from above. I see men asking why is this so. The servant should not demand to know reasons why, they should humble themselves before the Master and ask how do I serve thee better. I would think that many modern day men have issues with servitude. I would think that many modern day men see servitude as weakness.

You might see my answer as a cop out. I might see your questions as prideful.

Dr. Ffreeze
 
The difference I suppose, is that I cannot, nay, will not, serve blindly, without question. If that's considered prideful, then that's fine. I accept that. But I need answers to the questions of why I'm following.

I guess that's one of the reasons why I always got "you're too big for your britches" comments, because I would always question my parents, grandparents, church goers, in anything.

No, I can't comprehend why a god would create a species in which billions are doomed to destruction before they're even born. Why? Because god knows everything that will ever occur, which means that our fates are already predestined. I cannot accept that a logical and compassionate god would ever create a no win situation like that for billions of his creations. Whether that makes me too big for my britches wrt god is up for interpretation. I frankly don't like the games that this god seems to be playing with our existence. Sounds more like a guy who's been seriously bored for a few eternities and just wanted a distraction, moreso than a god that is filled with eternal, never ending compassion.

But then, that's the sarcasm in me coming out again. And they say TV doesn't influence kids. Ahhh Simpsons and Married... With Children, how I miss thee. :)
 
Natoma said:
There are plenty from that debate. But I wouldn't go around quoting, nor have I ever quoted, anyone from this or other messageboards.
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Here's a cookie. ;)

http://news.mpr.org/features/2003/07/14_zdechlikm_iraq1/

You apparently have no issues quoting liars though...Mary Kewatt also said: "We have some issues with the fact that President Bush declared combat over on May 1. Combat is not over. "

Of course, Bush never said any such thing. Declared major combat operations over? Yeah, he did do that. Bush never, ever, said or implied that "combat" or danger, or risk of losing lives was over. Far from it, and quite the contrary.

Doesn't lend all that much credibility to Mary, now, does it?

And of couse, Mary (and you, for that matter) is IMO don't seem to hold much regard for the parents who are keeping a low profile out of grief.

But you do what you wish. Use the death of their son as some misguided tool to slam Bush...when for all you know, the Parents, and the soldier, fully and completely support the operations and what it stands for.

One example from another debate for instance. You made a very succinct comment comparing the "evils" of HMI to Jim Crow, but would I put that in a quote? Not at all, despite the very apparent absurdity of that comment.
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Correct...it's just as absurd as the other elements in that quote that you put on the same Level as Jim Crow...like the Patriot Act. (I see you missed the point of my comment.)

But that's my opinion on the matter. Consider it closed. You do what you wish.
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I see nothing wrong with a direct quote that is an honest representation of an argument you put forth.
 
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