Joe DeFuria said:Now, this definitely deserves its own topic.
Agreed.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7313
Joe DeFuria said:Now, this definitely deserves its own topic.
No, I don't have a problem punishment in general. For instance taking away the kid's cookie when he misbehaves, denying it to go out and play or watch TV for an evening etc. are proper ways to punish
Please and not pleasing aside murdering a world of people is irrational. Are you suggesting within his perfect reason he could not find a better way that would save lives?
Lol. Are you suggesting that the coming of the "christ" some how changed God's sentiments towards homosexuals? There is no valid explination for God ordering his people to murder homosexuals at one point and then later treating them with "love and care" that he had for so many centuries denied them.
I have a question for you. If you lived under the God of the OT would you have carried his order out? Would you have killed Natoma or myself for our sexual orientation choices? If yes. Why now are you sympathetic to us? Simply because you have been told to be or because you recognize there is an intrinsic value within us as human?
I do not see how your first point is related to the second. Why is perfection necessary for cause and affect?
We punish what we may view as evil. Evil itself is quite a relative/subjective thing.
Perhaps he should punish the writers of luke and matthew for lying about Jesus' false lineage to David.
If he merely wished wipe away sin he is under no binding contract to keep it.
Now now. Thats not the same thing. All of creation is corrupt. Ergo there is nothing in our material universe that is without corruption.
Lol. According to you the rock is sinless !
God is the master of life. God can give life and take away life. All lifes are God's to begin with.
Remember from the beginning, the result of sin is death. God did not changed the sentiments towards homosexual or any other sin. Christ make a perfect expiation to God, that outweigh any human sins.
Yes, if we were Jews, and lived in that time.
The act of homosexual are just one sin of many. You don't sin from just being homosexual, you can be homosexual and choose to abstain. But the act of homosexual are sin. The same with all other form of sexual perversion.
But thanks to Christ expiation, that sin can be forgiven, all you have to do is repent and ask for forgiveness, as many times as necessary for your salvation. Simply, we are under a different covenant compare to the Jews of that time.
To us, moral seems relative. But to God moral is absolute.
I am sure you can google, and find the explanation.
God is perfect. Like I said before God is justice, no evil deed go unpunished, the same way goes no good deed go unrewared. The forgiveness of sin, is the eternal covenant. Its binding till the end of time.
That corruption comes from the sin of man.
If he wants to appear moral he must obey his own set value system.
This is simpl ludicrous. Why would Jesus, the illigitimate christ, have to die for God to forgive? Why must something be lost for God to give? God created sin in the first place.
I indeed have. All are bogus as they come from a poor understanding of Jewish tradition. They are mainly excuse for the ingorant by the ignorant.
God clearly isn't perfect. He lacks sympathy in many cases, he needs to be loved, he is jealous, and self-centered.
Oh please. Not all men sinned. This is just more the generational sin crap used to manipulate people in the religion.
but not thisLet he who is without sin cast the first stone
your sins are forgiven you, go and do not sin again
RussSchultz said:
God destroys evil. An offence by a finite being (creatures) against God, an infinite being, deserved punishment for eternity.
Christ took the burden of sin on himself. If you like, Christ has many tickets to eternal life to give away for free. You'll lose this tickets if you sin, but you can keep asking for it, and hopefully at the hour of your death, you have one.
I see. Than you should first pointed out how bogus, a virgin birth sound. Instead of focusing on these differences.
Considering God created human for himself, why are you suprised ?
Even if you believe not all men sin, none inherit the free gifts that was lost by Adam and Eve disobidience.
Gubbi said:Back to the original subject.
I'm guessing that the church don't have a problem with the bishop being a homosexual, but rather that his partner is too bloody old (ie. not juvenile).
Cheers
Gubbi