Church elects its first gay bishop

No, I don't have a problem punishment in general. For instance taking away the kid's cookie when he misbehaves, denying it to go out and play or watch TV for an evening etc. are proper ways to punish


what happens when the child starts screamming nad/or destroying the living room/kicking the crap out of his/her sibling?

I'm asking cause it's kinda happing right now. :cry:
 
Please and not pleasing aside murdering a world of people is irrational. Are you suggesting within his perfect reason he could not find a better way that would save lives?

God is the master of life. God can give life and take away life. All lifes are God's to begin with.

Lol. Are you suggesting that the coming of the "christ" some how changed God's sentiments towards homosexuals? There is no valid explination for God ordering his people to murder homosexuals at one point and then later treating them with "love and care" that he had for so many centuries denied them.

Remember from the beginning, the result of sin is death. God did not changed the sentiments towards homosexual or any other sin. Christ make a perfect expiation to God, that outweigh any human sins.

I have a question for you. If you lived under the God of the OT would you have carried his order out? Would you have killed Natoma or myself for our sexual orientation choices? If yes. Why now are you sympathetic to us? Simply because you have been told to be or because you recognize there is an intrinsic value within us as human?

Yes, if we were Jews, and lived in that time.

The act of homosexual are just one sin of many. You don't sin from just being homosexual, you can be homosexual and choose to abstain. But the act of homosexual are sin. The same with all other form of sexual perversion.

But thanks to Christ expiation, that sin can be forgiven, all you have to do is repent and ask for forgiveness, as many times as necessary for your salvation. Simply, we are under a different covenant compare to the Jews of that time.

I do not see how your first point is related to the second. Why is perfection necessary for cause and affect?

We punish what we may view as evil. Evil itself is quite a relative/subjective thing.

To us, moral seems relative. But to God moral is absolute.

Perhaps he should punish the writers of luke and matthew for lying about Jesus' false lineage to David.

I am sure you can google, and find the explanation.

If he merely wished wipe away sin he is under no binding contract to keep it.

God is perfect. Like I said before God is justice, no evil deed go unpunished, the same way goes no good deed go unrewared. The forgiveness of sin, is the eternal covenant. Its binding till the end of time.

Now now. Thats not the same thing. All of creation is corrupt. Ergo there is nothing in our material universe that is without corruption.

That corruption comes from the sin of man.

Lol. According to you the rock is sinless !

:) Not any reference to him. Anyway, on earth, only human have to worry about their sins, since other creatures doesn't have immortal soul like human does.
 
All I want to add to this exchange of opinions is I completely agree with Humus (with regard to Jesus and Paul in the Bible and with regard to spanking).
 
God is the master of life. God can give life and take away life. All lifes are God's to begin with.

If he wants to appear moral he must obey his own set value system. human life as it exist has value. There is no valid reason to take it without reason. God with his infinite knowledge ought to be able to come up with a better way to deal with humans then flooding the earth and murdering them all.

Remember from the beginning, the result of sin is death. God did not changed the sentiments towards homosexual or any other sin. Christ make a perfect expiation to God, that outweigh any human sins.

Sin only refers to offenses to God. If God were a tad bit more mature he might not be affected by say his children eating something from a Garden. I shouldn't have to point out how absurd it is to punish all of life with death because two humans decided to eat from the treee of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

How on earth could have adam and eve known the ramifications of what they were doing? They didn't acquire the knowledge of good and evil until the ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Yes, if we were Jews, and lived in that time.

You consider yourself a moral human being? You are nothing more than a slave to dogma.

The act of homosexual are just one sin of many. You don't sin from just being homosexual, you can be homosexual and choose to abstain. But the act of homosexual are sin. The same with all other form of sexual perversion.

Just one of many sins? Apparently one deserving of death. Ejaculating outside of your wife is another one of this sins (poor Onin).

But thanks to Christ expiation, that sin can be forgiven, all you have to do is repent and ask for forgiveness, as many times as necessary for your salvation. Simply, we are under a different covenant compare to the Jews of that time.

This is simpl ludicrous. Why would Jesus, the illigitimate christ, have to die for God to forgive? Why must something be lost for God to give? God created sin in the first place.

To us, moral seems relative. But to God moral is absolute.

according to the bible. However God clearly bends rules off.

I am sure you can google, and find the explanation.

I indeed have. All are bogus as they come from a poor understanding of Jewish tradition. They are mainly excuse for the ingorant by the ignorant.

God is perfect. Like I said before God is justice, no evil deed go unpunished, the same way goes no good deed go unrewared. The forgiveness of sin, is the eternal covenant. Its binding till the end of time.

God clearly isn't perfect. He lacks sympathy in many cases, he needs to be loved, he is jealous, and self-centered.

That corruption comes from the sin of man.

Oh please. Not all men sinned. This is just more the generational sin crap used to manipulate people in the religion.
 
If he wants to appear moral he must obey his own set value system.

God destroys evil. An offence by a finite being (creatures) against God, an infinite being, deserved punishment for eternity.

This is simpl ludicrous. Why would Jesus, the illigitimate christ, have to die for God to forgive? Why must something be lost for God to give? God created sin in the first place.

Christ took the burden of sin on himself. If you like, Christ has many tickets to eternal life to give away for free. You'll lose this tickets if you sin, but you can keep asking for it, and hopefully at the hour of your death, you have one.

I indeed have. All are bogus as they come from a poor understanding of Jewish tradition. They are mainly excuse for the ingorant by the ignorant.

I see. Than you should first pointed out how bogus, a virgin birth sound. Instead of focusing on these differences.

God clearly isn't perfect. He lacks sympathy in many cases, he needs to be loved, he is jealous, and self-centered.

Considering God created human for himself, why are you suprised ?

Oh please. Not all men sinned. This is just more the generational sin crap used to manipulate people in the religion.

Even if you believe not all men sin, none inherit the free gifts that was lost by Adam and Eve disobidience.
 
God destroys evil. An offence by a finite being (creatures) against God, an infinite being, deserved punishment for eternity.

I find it hard to believe one could view those people as purely evil. God has allowed so many "purely" evil people to exist. WHy does he bother destroying so few? His actions seem calculated.

God is clearly the creator of evil as well.

Christ took the burden of sin on himself. If you like, Christ has many tickets to eternal life to give away for free. You'll lose this tickets if you sin, but you can keep asking for it, and hopefully at the hour of your death, you have one.

Is that so? Why should any one have to bare this sinful burden? Why exactly? Because God didn't create Adam and Eve with the knowledge of good and evil? WHy does he punish us all for their mistakes? It is a nature to "sin." We are imperfect. Such is how we are. We were created that way. We have no choice in the matter.

I see. Than you should first pointed out how bogus, a virgin birth sound. Instead of focusing on these differences.

It indeed is bogus. It is impossible for a woman to provide lineage.

Considering God created human for himself, why are you suprised ?

He is arrogant enough and self centered enough to demand that all life worship him. He has the emmotional maturity of a two year old and likewise the patience. He has devised a plan for human life they can not fulfill. Thusly created a seemingly endless regression of misery and sorry do to our own incapacity of perfection. Why would any sane individual ask something of some one knowing good and well they could never accomplish it and then punish them for failing?

Even if you believe not all men sin, none inherit the free gifts that was lost by Adam and Eve disobidience.

what a pitty.
 
Back to the original subject.

I'm guessing that the church don't have a problem with the bishop being a homosexual, but rather that his partner is too bloody old (ie. not juvenile).

Cheers
Gubbi
 
Gubbi said:
Back to the original subject.

I'm guessing that the church don't have a problem with the bishop being a homosexual, but rather that his partner is too bloody old (ie. not juvenile).

Cheers
Gubbi

:oops: :LOL:

Now that's comic.
 
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