Casual Shenanigans Fallout4 PC vs PS4 shootout

[DuckThor Evil]

Christ is OS piracy so internalised that people never even think to add the Windows licence to these experiments? Given the shonky OpenGL perf on SteamOS that's not even an option here. Still waiting for that $350 PC build that includes Windows.

Well I think at some point you can kind of amortize that cost away. If you bought Windows 7 in 2009 you can upgrade it to Windows 10 for free and perhaps it has seen many configurations among that time. There are many ways to get a cheap Windows anyway and one can put that against Xbox Live or PSN fees.

 

[BRiT]

By that same notion why not knock the price of a PS4 or XBoxOne down by $150, because hey afterall you could trade in your PS3 or X360 torwards purchase of new console. If you're going to use these discounting tactics for the PC side you need to use them for the console side too. Apples to apples and all that.

 

[Scott_Arm]

Christ is OS piracy so internalised that people never even think to add the Windows licence to these experiments? Given the shonky OpenGL perf on SteamOS that's not even an option here. Still waiting for that $350 PC build that includes Windows.

I think you're missing the obvious point. If you could steal the actual hardware, think of how affordable gaming would be on the pc!

 

[Shifty Geezer]

We've had these price discussions before. Is there anything new to add, if no-one's specifiying the criteria to which the comparisons are being made? New for new? Second hand? Trade in and best possible deals including "I have a mate who can get me stuff cheap"? It's not so much a case of moving goalposts with these discussions as a field full of goalposts and people taking pot shots at whatever's easiest to score in.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Well my point is that building a PC with used parts and some patience can result a pretty capable and affordable computer. No need to steal anything

By that same notion why not knock the price of a PS4 or XBoxOne down by $150, because hey afterall you could trade in your PS3 or X360 torwards purchase of new console. If you're going to use these discounting tactics for the PC side you need to use them for the console side too. Apples to apples and all that.

If you are talking about using the Windows key with multiple builds, then it's a bit different to upgrading the hardware, because similarly you can sell your old components before buying new. You don't need to buy a new TV every time you buy a console either, but you need to have one.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

We've had these price discussions before. Is there anything new to add, if no-one's specifiying the criteria to which the comparisons are being made?

Well personally I hadn't heard about this "potato masher" $350 PC before. I don't know if it has been brought up before, but that on itself is imo somewhat reasonable argument for affordable PCs with or without the Windows Key and regardless whether it's a little cheaper or little more expensive than a console.

 

[pjbliverpool]

And a Xbox or PS gamepad...

Not really a requirement for this game but for a general gaming rig you are probably going to want one.

We've had these price discussions before. Is there anything new to add, if no-one's specifiying the criteria to which the comparisons are being made? New for new? Second hand? Trade in and best possible deals including "I have a mate who can get me stuff cheap"? It's not so much a case of moving goalposts with these discussions as a field full of goalposts and people taking pot shots at whatever's easiest to score in.

The only way these kind of comparisons can ever make sense IMO is new for new even though that might not be representative of many peoples experience. And on that basis $350 sounds pretty much impossible to me. The cheapest gaming PC that would exceed (just) PS4 performance that I can build from scan.co.uk comes in at £397 including Windows. That includes a 6 core Athlon FX, R7 370, 8GB RAM, 500GB HDD and no optical drive. So about £100 more than the basic PS4 package for something that's only marginally faster, but a lot more versatile.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

The only way these kind of comparisons can ever make sense IMO is new for new even though that might not be representative of many peoples experience.

My problem with that comparison is that in practice that is kind of either a too tight rule or too liberal for this because it disallows used parts, but allows components built together by the user. I think it's either total freedom to buy any parts from anywhere, used or new or it needs to be pre built and set up for the user like a console.

 

[HMBR]

Christ is OS piracy so internalised that people never even think to add the Windows licence to these experiments? Given the shonky OpenGL perf on SteamOS that's not even an option here. Still waiting for that $350 PC build that includes Windows.

depending on the license you have you can easily keep using it when upgrading, also you can buy cheaper windows versions, get it for free in many occasions without piracy, but yes, pirating windows is very common, because no one (home users) is punished for doing so and there is no real difference, the activation works the same, but I think the argument that you can pay it with Live/PSN fees is fair.

And a Xbox or PS gamepad...

for fallout 4 you shouldn't, the game is far superior with mouse and keyboard, and you can use your old xbox 360 controller perfectly fine, something you can't on the xbox one.
I just noticed I'm using the same mouse since 2003 (a very nice microsoft mouse) and a keyboard with a windows 98 and NT logo lol, that's the thing with the PC, they don't break compatibility of everything every 5 years... so you can upgrade some parts on the cheap, like the youtube video PC, some parts from 2010 with a not so old graphics cards running games pretty well, if you are starting from 0 buying a PC is more expensive (but for the console you also need a TV, a couch and whatever if you don't have anything), many PCs from 2009-2010 with a new $100 VGA will manage to beat the PS4 on this game, a console from 2009-2013 does not have the same option, but it's true that you can sell it to pay for the new one (if it still works, I remember the PS3 and Xbox 360 being extremely unreliable for many years)

 

[Billy Idol]

The problem is: all comparison's are in complete favor of PC, assuming to many positive things.

If we leave B3D for one moment, there are many console gamers where you can't assume:

- know how to build a PC, so no used components, only ready to go PCs can be considered. And these are far more expensive...I know it

- no gamepad, no mouse, no kb, no nothing lying around, typically people have a tablet/laptop. Assuming non-windows products, there is also no windows license.

In this situation...no chance for PC.

Assuming the above is not true though, PC has a very good chance.

 

[pjbliverpool]

The problem is: all comparison's are in complete favor of PC, assuming to many positive things.

If we leave B3D for one moment, there are many console gamers where you can't assume:

- know how to build a PC, so no used components, only ready to go PCs can be considered. And these are far more expensive...I know it

- no gamepad, no mouse, no kb, no nothing lying around, typically people have a tablet/laptop. Assuming non-windows products, there is also no windows license.

In this situation...no chance for PC.

Assuming the above is not true though, PC has a very good chance.

The costing I produced included Windows, a keyboard and a mouse. No gamepad was included with it not being a necessity, especially for Fallout 4. I also accept there is the prerequisite knowledge required on how to build a PC which would exclude many people from the self build option.

 

[Lalaland]

Just a quick point on the Windows O/S licence, you can only transfer the licence between PCs on the Full Retail version (I'm excluding VLK editions here), most folks buy the cheap OEM licence from online retailers and those are tied to the first build they are used with. Now the PC is a loose enough eco system that MS will generally let you reactivate that licence even after you trash everything but the case however by the strict terms of the OEM licence new build = new OEM Key required (where build = CPU + Mobo)

Of course MS rarely enforces this because getting enthusiasts to even buy one MS licence is tricky enough so they don't want to piss off those that do and turn a blind eye to the EULA violation.

 

[Commenter]

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[Deleted member 11852]

The costing I produced included Windows, a keyboard and a mouse. No gamepad was included with it not being a necessity, especially for Fallout 4.

Out of curiosity how does keyboard/mouse control on Fallout compensate for a controller's ability to have precise control over movement speed, e.g. whether to smoothly run as fast as you can, move at a steady job, a walk, a slow walk or inch along slowly?

 

[HMBR]

caps lock toggles walk or run (and C changes the movement only when pressed), having played with both the 360 controller and keyboard and mouse this makes no difference for me, the advantage to using numbers to switch items/weapons in real time, and aim properly with a mouse (for whatever reason when playing with the gamepad it felt to me like the game needed more auto aim or something and I was relying to much on VATS) are far more important... when playing with the pad I was almost the entire time with it on the run speed, or sneaking with the same lowest speed anyway.

also I find some buttons on the controller uncomfortable to use, like clicking the analogs when I'm already using them to move (for sprint I think) and such, on the keyboard all keys are well positioned and easy to use at any time with the default mapping,

 

[Sigfried1977]

How dare you, console peasants. Enjoying a game for what it is simply will not do in this day and age I'm afraid. You're supposed to turn over every leaf and pebble and scrutinize it for flaws ffs.
Honestly, PC folks sure do have a tendency to sound like easily offended, fundamentalist preachers. Or babies. Really no surprise more and more publishers stopped bothering a long time ago. "Your FOV slider is colored in a way which doesn't agree with the receptors on my retina and my retina only - Wait for a $5 Steam deal says I, and anyone who does not agree is a conformist, casual sheep!" Good thing questionable performance is the perfect opportunity for bragging about your "weak" PC components, though.

By the way, here's the reveal trailer. (which looks exactly like the game we got)

 

[Deleted member 11852]

caps lock toggles walk or run (and C changes the movement only when pressed),

Thought so, just three movement speed then; stop, walk and run. This is the only thing that frustrates me when using a keyboard and mouse in games like Fallout where character movement speed directly correlates to an enemy's ability to detect you, i.e. I want to go faster than walk but slower than run (until Sneak rank 3 - or is it 4?) and faster still (but still not running) when it's dark.

 

[Deleted member 86764]

How dare you, console peasants. Enjoying a game for what it is simply will not do in this day and age I'm afraid. You're supposed to turn over every leaf and pebble and scrutinize it for flaws ffs.
Honestly, PC folks sure do have a tendency to sound like easily offended, fundamentalist preachers. Or babies. Really no surprise more and more publishers stopped bothering a long time ago. "Your FOV slider is colored in a way which doesn't agree with the receptors on my retina and my retina only - Wait for a $5 Steam deal says I, and anyone who does not agree is a conformist, casual sheep!" Good thing questionable performance is the perfect opportunity for bragging about your "weak" PC components, though.

By the way, here's the reveal trailer. (which looks exactly like the game we got)

Reminds me of this:

 

[orangpelupa]

btw i was mainly a pc gamer and when playing PS4 or Xbox 360, that is what happened to me lol
including an old habbit

- always go to OPTIONS even in console games

heck, when playing MGS V i was quickly distracted by the low polygons but the intense atmosphere quickly take my attention

 

[Sigfried1977]

I always go to options as well, and then I get annoyed about how there's still no consensus on where the toggle for enabling subtitles should be hidden. Gameplay? Or perhaps audio? Why not display?