Business Approach Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox
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This is what I think most people will think is awesome. The ability to still get game invites, friend online notices, text/voice messages, friend beacons, etc & have them overlay on top of whatever you have connected to your HDMI Input. You're never more than a click of your controller or a Kinect voice command to getting back to the action. No need for an additional universal remote. And even if you did have an awesome universal remote & receiver, you would have to keep switching back & forth between devices looking for those notices. This will be absolutely crucial for the new time-sensitive challenges that are coming. Imagine watching a TV show or live sports event & during a commercial you receive a video taunt where your buddy completed an awesome achievement or challenge. You can even then pause your show & call him via Skype to work out a multiplayer session. I know some of you guys with tablets & smartphones are not impressed, but in my house we don't have either. We just have a couple of old cheap laptops. This feature will save us a bunch from not needing those.
Tommy McClain
No class action suits for Xbone owners?:
http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-use...suits-against-microsoft-experts-weigh-1306797
To be honest, I don't really care much about the waiver, I'm just curious why it would be legally binding given that you cannot take away people's right to sue (individually only?), not to mention unfairness of the arbitration.
http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-use...suits-against-microsoft-experts-weigh-1306797
To be honest, I don't really care much about the waiver, I'm just curious why it would be legally binding given that you cannot take away people's right to sue (individually only?), not to mention unfairness of the arbitration.
For anyone that has followed digital distribution will know that its not news. Steam and Origin instigated the same policy a while back. [edit] Apparently MS and Sony added the policy some time ago, so its not new for Xbox One.
This is the same thing cell-phone companies have used for quite some time now -- service contracts that include a no class-action-lawsuit clause. This is just one field catching up with all the others.
Is it really legally binding though? EULAs have all kinds of bs which don't hold up in court.
Great article, thanks.
BTW, when I buy a console from a store or Amazon, I don't sign or agree on anything.
Implied consent with purchase. Otherwise you wouldn't have bought it.
You will when you install your account to actually use the product.
If you buy the hardware, don't plug it in to the net and use it as a BRD player then sure. However, the MS page is just making it clear that to get full use of the system in its intended manner you will need a Live account that Live account will come with that waiver.
https://www.eff.org/fa/wp/clicks-bind-ways-users-agree-online-terms-service
This is all very interesting.
This is all very interesting.
I find that the NORMAL speed of EVERYTHING AppleTV is the COMPLAINED about speed of 360 Netflix (and I am DEFINITELY a 360 Netflix complainer, I think it was 2010 that was lightning fast before Netflix regressed). Because I use my AppleTV most just for AirPlay when I do actually want to use it for video I get PS3 firmware update flashbacks where 2 times outta 3 theres a firmware update UNLIKE the PS3 whose updates always installed first-time for whatever reason the damn update fails every.single.time. first it was because the AppleTV had known issues updating firmware over eth but NOW it won't update over wi-fi...
We use voice for navigating Netflix and Video Marketplace. Using voice controls is much faster in Netflix than XVM because of the organization layouts but I much prefer being in Video Marketplace than Netflix now. MSFT needs to work on fuzzy logic for Bing search such that when I go searching for Robin Hood for example...Amazon has Season 1 listed and Netflix Season1 (or something like that) and BBC America Series 1, it needs to group as it does when a show is listed "properly" by multiple providers.
Your old crew should have just hired me on the entertainment side...I've been using it since the damn thing rolled out and the original Video Player before then (and complaining about it since 05/06)! I remember when the right stick was actually for transport controls. On the plus side it looks like if you go back to our interaction just after Kinect v1 beta that almost everything I asked for from a hardware and OS perspective is now in v2 though I'd need to see the OS with multiple people + kid with parental controls enabled and what gets presented to the end-users since my post was really about parental controls. As an aside, I hope SONY comes up with something better than what I was frustrated by in 08/09 with their parental controls...ugh...if I recall it was something like 0-9 and I was like WTF is this shit...where are the ESRB/MPAA/TV ratings?!? Actually when it comes to SONY my hope is always that the firmware/OS is NOT coded in Japan...
And you really think you'll be using the browser on your TV screen to do that, rather than just picking up your tablet which 1.) is a lot more convinient 2.) therefore quicker 3.) sharper and better readable, because you have it in your hands, rather than trying to read something from a fullhd TV screen at a distance?
...then on top of it, use your gamepad to use the on-screen keyboard, because "Xbox One, open Google, search for "online tutorial of Halo 4", Xbox One scroll down, scroll down, scroll down, no, scroll up, scroll up, yeah, open link... - *fuck it isn't numbered*, errr, (uses gamepad), opens link, realizes it's too small to read because it's one of those sites that isn't even optimized for mobile sites, much less a TV screen and a controller, play around with zoom controls etc...........
To me it sounds like people are trying to make up reasons to like a feature that just isn't that practical. Perhaps if you still live in the stone-ages and never heard of tablets and still use a Nokia 3310 with monochrome display, then yes, the Xbox One (or any browser running on a TV set) is like... the most exciting feature, ever!
Doesn't Windows Messenger or something let you tie into your XBL and you can chat and get notifications through that?
I think as popular as mobile devices are, they will be interested in integrating so you should be able to communicate with your friends list when your console isn't on or when you're not necessarily in the living room.
But since MS also owns Windows, why wouldn't they have similar integration for your laptops?
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I'm guessing kinect will have improved enough to be useful there, and you can use all of those inputs at once to make the process as swift as possible.And you really think you'll be using the browser on your TV screen to do that, rather than just picking up your tablet which 1.) is a lot more convinient 2.) therefore quicker 3.) sharper and better readable, because you have it in your hands, rather than trying to read something from a fullhd TV screen at a distance?
...then on top of it, use your gamepad to use the on-screen keyboard, because "Xbox One, open Google, search for "online tutorial of Halo 4", Xbox One scroll down, scroll down, scroll down, no, scroll up, scroll up, yeah, open link... - *fuck it isn't numbered*, errr, (uses gamepad), opens link, realizes it's too small to read because it's one of those sites that isn't even optimized for mobile sites, much less a TV screen and a controller, play around with zoom controls etc...........
To me it sounds like people are trying to make up reasons to like a feature that just isn't that practical. Perhaps if you still live in the stone-ages and never heard of tablets and still use a Nokia 3310 with monochrome display, then yes, the Xbox One (or any browser running on a TV set) is like... the most exciting feature, ever!
Or I could drop all of what I'm doing and pick up another device to look something up.
I would be really interested to hear how...
Imagine yourself standing behind someone sitting at a keyboard and then giving that (intelligent) person commands to follow to end up seeing what you want to see on screen. Now, imagine that 10 times less accurate because Kinect, unlike that person who probably knows your intentions (has an understanding of the context) when you give him/her a command to follow, would be doing that with a complex software that needs to analyze what you say and put that into letters and commands while at the same time intepretating that to do what you the user want it to do. Imagine trying to get your kinect/console to search for something simple only to find it miss-spelled/miss-interpretated something and then trying to command it, only through voice, that it should correct the miss-spellings and/or delete the word etc.
The point is, Microsoft never showed exactly how well it works, yet it seems everyone is happy to assume a 'perfect world' / ideal circumstance scenario. This is not 'new' tech, it's been around and has again and again shown to have flaws. Add to that, that the internet isn't made for voice controlling software - websites are predominently designed around PC centric behaviour with browsing using a keyboard and mouse - and only since the take-off of mobile devices have we seen more and more sites optimized for the smaller screens and touch-screen displays. That still mandates some use with your finger where you can point, scroll and navigate. If you are limited to your voice, the most basic task of entering a search string into a search engine and browsing through the results can be a very tiring process to the point that no one will dare use it.
In fact, I'm willing to bet that after some initial experimenting with the new toy, most people will be adept to just use the controller because experience will tell them that while kinect + voice *can* work in some few instances well, using the existing methods of input is far easier and has a much higher success rate most of the time.
And if this doesn't convince you - Think about more complex scenarios where you have a site with multiple inputboxes. Just by using voice, how are you going to communicate to the Xbox which inputbox it should tag to enter something? Are you going to use coordinates? (and for the case you do figure out some way on how it could work, it's still just speculation since we have absolutely no idea if the real Xbox will actually go through these lengths to implement it - something I find highly doubtful because these things are extremely complex to get to a point that it just works like they usually do in science-fiction movies.)
Chances are, if you're already holding the controller anyway (because you just switched from a game), it's far easier to just keep using that, than start using your voice. And browsing the internet with a gamepad, is not very ideal as past experiences have shown. It might have been a great "killer" feature back in 2005/2006, but since then, we got smartphones and tablets that do these tasks much more efficiently, easier and more convinient - and at a price, that everyone can afford one.
At the end, you'll end up with a box with plenty of features, but many that probably won't get used over time. Lots of potential, but in reality, not very practical.
The most biggest advantage I see is being able to use Windows 8 apps and Skype on your Xbox - but even that is still an unknown to what the limits are. Skype is perhaps something that would work well on a television set, but it's also something that works quite well on any modern tablet or even smartphone.
And you really think you'll be using the browser on your TV screen to do that, rather than just picking up your tablet which 1.) is a lot more convinient 2.) therefore quicker 3.) sharper and better readable, because you have it in your hands, rather than trying to read something from a fullhd TV screen at a distance?
...then on top of it, use your gamepad to use the on-screen keyboard, because "Xbox One, open Google, search for "online tutorial of Halo 4", Xbox One scroll down, scroll down, scroll down, no, scroll up, scroll up, yeah, open link... - *fuck it isn't numbered*, errr, (uses gamepad), opens link, realizes it's too small to read because it's one of those sites that isn't even optimized for mobile sites, much less a TV screen and a controller, play around with zoom controls etc...........
To me it sounds like people are trying to make up reasons to like a feature that just isn't that practical. Perhaps if you still live in the stone-ages and never heard of tablets and still use a Nokia 3310 with monochrome display, then yes, the Xbox One (or any browser running on a TV set) is like... the most exciting feature, ever!
I completely agree with your points.
These media features would seem to me to be only of use for single people.
I shudder to think what would happen if my wife was watching an interesting documentary and I suddenly bring up a skype window and start talking over her program, or shrink her screen down and start searching the internet. I think she'd be annoyed and quite rightly, it's a rude and inconsiderate thing to do. Tablets allow you to carry out all these tasks without disturbing anybody else.
