BR/HD-DVD Thread

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london-boy said:
I still don't see the point in HDDVD's existance anyway but maybe that's just me...
The point is to save disc manufacturers and content creators money in their migration to a next-gen format. Of course, at the expense of storage capacity.

I see the point, I just don't agree with it.
 
london-boy said:
I still don't see the point in HDDVD's existance anyway but maybe that's just me...
HD-DVD is a negotiation tool for Warner Bros. and Toshiba to draw a lucrative licensing deal from Blu-ray Disc Association. ;)
 
london-boy said:
I still don't see the point in HDDVD's existance anyway but maybe that's just me...

The point is that Toshiba, Warner Bros. and others wanted to transfer their dominant patent licensing position in the DVD patent pool to the next-generation format.

Since Sony and some other Japanese companies developed Blu-Ray, that wasn't likely and Toshiba cobbled something together quickly. Remember, initially they were going to stay with red laser and just used newer codecs to wring more capacity.

IOW, it's all about greed by Toshiba and WB. Now, sure Sony is motivated by economic interests too. However, remember that Sony and Phillips compromised and backed down right before the DVD launched in the interest of unification. So for about 10 years, they didn't put pecuniary interests above all else.
 
Since Sony and some other Japanese companies developed Blu-Ray, that wasn't likely and Toshiba cobbled something together quickly. Remember, initially they were going to stay with red laser and just used newer codecs to wring more capacity.

Uh Toshiba didn't cobble something together quickly. Both Toshiba and NEC were working on independent blue laser formats which they merged together to create AOD. It had been in development for awhile. The red laser option was thrown in later by WB IIRC. Your information wherever you pulled it out from is WRONG. There was no red laser option initially.
 
Toshiba worked hard to go from 4.3 to 15 GB a layer with no better recordable options than DVD? 8)

It would be better for their technical reputation to say it was cobbled together as a response to BR because HD-DVD is a half-baked format. :LOL:
 
wco81 said:
Toshiba worked hard to go from 4.3 to 15 GB a layer with no better recordable options than DVD? 8)

It would be better for their technical reputation to say it was cobbled together as a response to BR because HD-DVD is a half-baked format. :LOL:

Toshiba worked smart not hard. You're rambling incoherently buddy... ;) :LOL:

It seems the Blu-ray group are the ones who needed to work hard to shed that caddie and incorporate high efficiency codecs as a last resort. :LOL:

I bet someone is drooling at that book that's for sale on Amazon. :LOL:
 
$1500 for an analyst report about the inclusion of a BRD drive in the PS3. Whoa!

I'm certain that the first lines in the paper are something along the lines of "So, you really bought this book, hey? Ok, so let's start: chapter 1 the PS3 is cool...". :LOL:

Oh, and I see a correlation here:
Customers who viewed this book also viewed:

Books from The Harry Potter Series.

Anyway, and to stick to the subject, I seriously hope that a merger between the HD-DVD and the Blue-Ray group (By merger, I mean HD-DVD format is ditched in favor of BRD) is still possible.
Two HD formats would bad for everybody.
 
From the consumer stand point, what are the Pros/Cons of each format.

It seems much of the advantages (and inversely the disadvantages) I've heard aren't really from the consumer standpoint.

For instance, HD-DVDs can be pressed from the same line as DVDs. That doesn't necessarily translate to a benefit for the consumer. Likewise, the extra storage space for BR discs don't do much for consumers either (unless you consider BR recorders or the possibility that studios could fill that space with more goodies).
 
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Hd-dvds since they can use existing dvd plants may cost less , which means at the start at least (as we know cds and dvds became dirt cheap 15$ for a 50pack of dvds and 15$ for a 100cds) it will cost less buy the blank media . But it may end up just being even with blueray because bluray has more room
 
Onkyo joins HD DVD promotion group.

Onkyo Corporation announced on the 28th that they have joined the "HD DVD Promotion Group," a group promoting HD DVD as the next generation optical disc standard. Consisting of four primary members (NEC, Toshiba, etc.), the HD DVD Promotion Group has three levels, where the other two are "general member" and "associate member." Onkyo will be joining as a general member.

Onkyo explained the move by saying, "moving towards the establishment of a home theater space with higher quality audio and video, we will be driving home theater products using the HD DVD standard." As to the sorts of products and release dates of said products, the company said "we'll let you know in September."

Furthermore, regarding the promotion from the "Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA)," the company said that "we haven't joined yet, but are still continuing contact. It's not as though we're going to choose one or the other; we'll look into it depending on our needs and the merit in the future."
 
Re: Onkyo joins HD DVD promotion group.

PC-Engine said:
Onkyo Corporation announced on the 28th that they have joined the "HD DVD Promotion Group," a group promoting HD DVD as the next generation optical disc standard. Consisting of four primary members (NEC, Toshiba, etc.), the HD DVD Promotion Group has three levels, where the other two are "general member" and "associate member." Onkyo will be joining as a general member.

Onkyo explained the move by saying, "moving towards the establishment of a home theater space with higher quality audio and video, we will be driving home theater products using the HD DVD standard." As to the sorts of products and release dates of said products, the company said "we'll let you know in September."

Furthermore, regarding the promotion from the "Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA)," the company said that "we haven't joined yet, but are still continuing contact. It's not as though we're going to choose one or the other; we'll look into it depending on our needs and the merit in the future."


Meaning, If we need cash in the next 6 months, we'll go for HDDVD, if we need the better technology, we'll wait for BDROM
 
So it's probably gonna be a "We'll release titles on HDDVD now cause we need to look after our cash flow, then whenn BDROM is released, we'll start releasing material on that also, so everyone can rip their hair out trying to figure out what they need to buy!". Classic
 
A lot of discussion has been made lately about the blue laser storage potentials. Major IT shows have showcased Blu-Ray and HD-DVD campaigns, and respectable amounts of money are expected to be spent for promotion the upcoming years. Whether this is an actual or a marketing motivated "war", the Movie industry seems to likely issue entertainment on both Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats until one emerges as the de-facto standard.

The first attempts to fill-in the gap between a real commercial working device and a theoretical prototype, are already in progress. Hybrid discs will be showcased in the upcoming Mediatech International Show.

Toshiba has worked with Memory-Tech to develop a dual layer HD-DVD with ordinary DVD data pressed into an upper layer, and HDTV in a lower layer. The 650nm red laser in a DVD player just reads the top layer; a 405nm blue laser focuses down to the HD layer. This, however, gives reduced capacities of 4.7GB (DVD) and 15GB (HD).

Cinram has made another approach. Cinram's HD/DVD-9 hybrid will have a traditional 8.5GB DVD, bonded back to back with a 15GB HD DVD blue laser disc.

"This product has excellent potential," said David Rubenstein, president and chief operating officer of Cinram International Inc. "The combination of a traditional DVD with the new high-definition format creates a new and exciting option for consumers with more features than ever. HD/DVD 9 is a great way to introduce consumers to the full experience of high-definition video".


Philips then claimed success in the labs with a rather complicated, however, system. A blue laser layer is molded into a 0.5mm substrate, a DVD layer molded into a 0.6mm substrate; both layers are sputtered with reflective layers and are glued back to front. An optical disc skin is applied and the hybrid is ready. What about manufacturing cost? Tough answer.

JVC follows with a tree-layer proposal. The disc will have blue laser top layer (25GB); underneath there are two more layers just like an ordinary DVD (8.5GB). Blue laser and DVD layers are separated by a semi-reflective film that reflects blue light but passes red light through the DVD layer underneath. So this way, Blu-Ray's double layer can be manufactured as double layer, without needing to produce a double line up for discs. So when you buy a DVD, it will be blue-ready waiting for a Blu-Ray player to be available.

JVC's proposal sounds smart but again, cost for pressing the same program material (ie movie) onto a single triple layer disc is questionable




Toshiba is planning to introduce an HD-DVD player using Intel Corp.'s 854 chipset in the fourth quarter of 2005.

Intel officially announced the Intel 854 chipset for digital home appliances at the Intel Developer Forum in Taiwan on April 11, 2005. The Intel 854 chip set is designed for applications such as set-top boxes and digital video recorders with Internet connectivity, and can be connected to the 600MHz Celeron M processor. It can feature synchronous DRAM with DDR mode of up to 2GB.

The chipset also supports external interfaces including Ethernet, USB 2.0 and Ultra ATA/100. Toshiba said it has not yet determined the microprocessors to be used in conjunction with the Intel chipset.

The company is considering using microprocessors other than the Celeron processor for the processing of conversational mode (so-called interactive mode), mainly used in the playback of bonus contents on HD DVDs. A dedicated LSI will be used for decoding of image codecs such as H.264/MPEG-4 and AVC.



Lower royalty fees strengthens HD-DVD position.

The tenth DVD Conference in Asia, an annual meeting of the DVD Forum organized by the Opto-Electronics Systems & Laboratories (OES) of the Industrial Technology Research Institute (ITRI), was held in Taipei on April 12, with an agenda focusing on progress of standard specifications, licensing, certifications and market outlook of HD-DVD, a next-generation blue-laser DVD format developed by Toshiba and NEC. Although final desicions have not been made yet, Taiwanese manufacturers will support the HD-DVD first, without however rejecting any other rival format.

Twenty-one companies, including three Taiwanese makers; Ritek, Prodisc Technology and CyberLink, exhibited HD-DVD optical discs, optical disc drives and related materials and equipment at the conference.

The OES was elected to be a member of the DVD Forum?s steering committee in 1998, according to OES deputy director Der-ray Huang.

OES is currently negotiating cooperation with Lite-On IT and BenQ, the top two makers of optical disc drives in Taiwan, about OEM production of DVD-ROM drives, Combo drives and DVD burners with built-in FVD, Huang said.
 
"This product has excellent potential," said David Rubenstein, president and chief operating officer of Cinram International Inc. "The combination of a traditional DVD with the new high-definition format creates a new and exciting option for consumers with more features than ever. HD/DVD 9 is a great way to introduce consumers to the full experience of high-definition video".


= Cheap stop gap solution.

Like getting an Xbox1.5 with the same chipset as the first but more RAM and different controllers, instead of a nice Xbox2.
 
The Intel chip going into the Toshiba HD-DVD player is suppose to be one of their castoff Celerons.

It's suppose to be for interactive features.

BTW, the AACS, which is going on both formats, is apparently going to impose a lot of restrictions on what consumers are used to doing.
 
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