BR/HD-DVD Thread

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Look man, the first Blu-ray unit sold didn't support the newer CODECs. It was released what in 2002? The disc was/is called Blu-ray. What Blu-ray eventually turns into 5 years later is MOOT. What if later on they want to use holographic technology to supplement Blu-ray??? Does that mean they thought about it when they first shipped the first Blu-ray unit? Does that mean it was planned all along??? NO!!!

You need to stop grasping for straws man and face reality. The Blu-ray format started off just like the PSX did having patches and bandaides added later to try and keep up with the competiton. The original idea was rushed to market with missing features and tanked. ;) :LOL:

MPEG4 and VC-1 was added as a "backup" plan just like the ditching of the caddie. They didn't forsee the superhard coating being incorporated until the fact hit them in the face that maybe consumers do not like the idea of caddies therefore gravitating towards AOD.

The large capacity BRDs were perfectly suited for use with MPEG2 at higher bitrates which was the originally plan, it was intentional. Now if they claim MPEG2 was enough with great image quality then why did they have to resort to adding MPEG4 and VC-1 as a last ditch effort to plug up any weaknesses vs HD DVD??? Why did they advertise 4 layer and 8 layer 200GB BRDs???? :LOL:

Edited for rabidrabbit... :rolleyes:
 
No, if you don't remember what I posted in my post above yours, it was exactly that the Blu-ray specification was open to additions until the very final specifications for that generation Blu-ray.

What in hell does it matter if they "thought about it from the beginning" or "it was planned all along"???

You must be the only one that sees it as something negative, when the specs weren't set in stone the day one someone came up with the idea of Blu-ray.

when in your opinion should they have said "now this is what the Blu-ray will be, nothing more nothing less. We will not research it anymore, even though we do not plan to bring it to mass market for years, But it's ok as we really don't want support from industry and really want HD DVD to be the next standard, not Blu-ray heheheh we're just kidding Blu-ray doesn't even exsist nor will it ever do beyond a couple of prototypes we suck but we suck good and deep"

The caddy. Yes, it's probable they didn't see the superhard coating coming at the very beginning.
Why wouldn't they ditch the caddy as soon as they saw there'll be a coating that makes the caddy unnecessary. For real PC-Engine! I just can't bleieve you find something negative in everything where Sony is involved :rolleyes:

The first units were primarily meant to record HD-content. They were sold as Blu-Ray recorded first and foremost. It didn't take a genius buyer to know that, as there was no pre-recorded content avalable for them, nor was such promised.
I really think those who bought those very expensive units were educated enough to know that, and didn't expect to be very sure to be able to view pre-recorded Blu-ray movies that would be sold but years after they bought their Blu-ray recorders.
Well, maybe there was one or two dumb enough to think so, but that's their problem if they were too dumb.

Your postings are really starting to go below the bar and belt.
I really am starting to feel offended by your insults and I do not think that is adult and civilized behaviour.
For that reason I am finished arguing with you about this matter
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Yeah let's release Blu-ray units ahead of what we know will really be Blu-ray in a few years time so that the units won't be able to play future Blu-ray movies... :LOL:

Yeah that was planned all along dude. ;)

I'd really like to have a $4000 glorified Blu-ray recorder that can't play Blu-ray movies AND BRDs from other Blu-ray branded players. :LOL:

Blu-ray was a mess right from the beginning. The fallback to MPEG4 and VC-1 and disappearance of the caddie was a patching of weaknesses in the original Blu-ray approach.
 
Has it ever dawned on you that most of the time you're really only entertaing yourself as you post here?
That's a bit like jacking off in public, except while you're wanking you're insulting the passers-by and calling them names.
That's not very nice, that's dirty. Someone might think you're a village idiot or something.
 
rabidrabbit said:
Has it ever dawned on you that most of the time you're really only entertaing yourself as you post here?
That's a bit like jacking off in public, except while you're wanking you're insulting the passers-by and calling them names.
That's not very nice, that's dirty. Someone might think you're a village idiot or something.
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So after editing my post to remove the insults, you then turn around and post insults of your own?

Great move man!!! :oops:

Just keep that in mind the next time you're insulted... ;)
 
Why is this conversation still going on? It is pointless! Blu-ray is the superior format no matter what evolutionary steps it took to get there, END OF STORY! Whichever format (Blu-ray of HD-DVD) becomes the next media format, only time will tell and that is another story...

Now seriously guys stop this silly rivalry and bickering and just get over it! It is time to move on.
 
There is nothing wrong with different preferences, but the way PC-Engine is presenting himself here is truely ban worthy.
 
You really think I constantly re-read your posts in case you've removed your insults?
You should think twice before going that low if you don't want them to be noticed.
You see, it's like in real life. Once you've said something, you can't just make it unsaid by claiming you never said that.
The insult might go unnoticed by others... but I guess you really didn't even mean it to go unnoticed by the target ;)
 
ChryZ said:
There is nothing wrong with different preferences, but the way PC-Engine is presenting himself here is truely ban worthy.
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Thanks for your opinion and I'm sure you know what they say about opinions... :LOL:

I'm sure you had a HD DVD or Blu-ray post hidden in that comment somewhere afterall this is a HD DVD/Blu-ray thread and you're probably the most anal when it comes to going off topic. ;)

Get back to me when you have something to contribute otherwise just walk away... :oops:
 
Blu-Ray is capable of much higher throuput, 54 Mbps, maybe 72 versus 36 for HD-DVD.

The studios reportedly lobbied for the adoption of MPEG4 and VC-1 but they'd been evaluating codecs and the HP version of MPEG4 was developed only recently.

So HD-DVD has recently adopted HP as well. Guess they're backpeddaling there. As they backpeddaled when they were forced to adopt blue-laser.

HD-DVD is going to have difficulties providing recording beyond a layer and will be maxed out at 2 layers while Blue-Ray has the potential to go to 8 layers.

HD-DVD the whole format is a stopgap measure. Toshiba, Warners and others don't want to give up their DVD patents so their solution was to come up with marginal improvements to the current format. You're going from DVD-9 to 15 GB, which may end up being the more commonly used format (they are talking about 8 and 12 Mbps bitrates to keep data requirements down).

There is no comparison as to the technical merits of these formats.
 
PC-Engine said:
Just keep that in mind the next time you're insulted... ;)
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Dude you are the one who keeps on using :D :) :LOL: :eek: ;) ;) ;) ;) :D :) :LOL: :eek:

It doesn't hide the fact that you are constantly insulting and hinting how obvious stupid everyone is except for yourself of course.
 
wco81 said:
Blu-Ray is capable of much higher throuput, 54 Mbps, maybe 72 versus 36 for HD-DVD.
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When/how did their transfer rate change? For a while it was showing 36Mbps for both, though now the BR FAQ shows 54Mbps for BD and 36.5Mbps for HD-DVD.
 
Not sure when. It came up in discussions at AVS where they linked it.

Regardless, they will probably use the lowest bitrates they can get away with. They as in the studios, not the hardware companies.

There are also lossless audio codecs available for both formats but again, not likely the studios would use these.

They will probably try to keep movies in both formats to single layer, at least at the beginning and indefinitely if lower bit-rate encoded discs (12 Mbps for video or lower) sell well enough to satisfy the market that there is a good enough difference compared to DVD and broadcast HDTV.
 
The only on-topic thing I have to add here is that H.264 was not finalized when the Blu-Ray standard was announced, so it seems entirely kosher for them not to have included it in the spec.

Off-topic, this thread is a cesspool. You two should get a room. Also, this thread is loaded with misinformation that never gets challenged, which is ironic considering that a certain two posters are attempting to argue with each other over factual matters.

I humbly suggest that a mod put this topic to rest. I also humbly suggest to those who've used it as a playground that there are better ways to spend your time. It's quite certain that nobody learned anything by reading the last 4 pages or so.
 
So this is the consequence of the Sony appearance at the MacWorld keynote speech.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050310/sfth060_3.html
Press Release Source: Apple

Blu-ray Disc Association Welcomes Apple to Its Board of Directors
Thursday March 10, 11:03 am ET

CUPERTINO, Calif., March 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) today announced that Apple® will become a member of the consortium's Board of Directors. Apple has been a leader in driving consumer adoption of DVD authoring since January 2001, with the introduction of its SuperDrive(TM), the industry's first high-volume CD- and DVD-burning drive, and its revolutionary iDVD® and DVD Studio Pro® software applications. Apple is also helping bring High Definition (HD) to market with a complete line of HD content creation tools for consumers and professionals alike including iMovie® HD, Final Cut® Express HD and Final Cut Pro® HD editing software.

Additionally the next release of Apple's QuickTime® software, QuickTime 7, will feature the MPEG developed H.264 Advanced Video Codec (AVC) which has been adopted for high definition DVDs. Apple will release QuickTime 7 in conjunction with the release of Mac OS® X version 10.4 "Tiger," the fifth major version of Mac OS X that will ship in the first half of 2005.

"Apple is pleased to join the Blu-ray Disc Association board as part of our efforts to drive consumer adoption of HD," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "Consumers are already creating stunning HD content with Apple's leading video editing applications like iMovie HD and are anxiously awaiting a way to burn their own high def DVDs."

"Apple has a long history of technical innovation around DVD hardware and software, and their support of the Blu-ray Disc format is a testament to their commitment of ongoing innovation. The Blu-ray Disc format provides the immense capacity and the revolutionary functionality that Apple's loyal customer base will be sure to enjoy," said Maureen Weber, chief BDA spokesperson and general manager of HP's Optical Storage Solutions Business. "We're thrilled about Apple joining our 16-member board, and we look forward to working with them on the development and promotion of the Blu-ray Disc format."

The BDA was created to broaden support for Blu-ray Disc -- the next generation optical disc for storing High Definition movies, photos and other digital content. Blu-ray Discs will have five times larger capacity than today's DVDs, with a single-layer Blu-ray Disc holding up to 25 gigabytes of data and a double-layer Blu-ray Disc holding up to 50 gigabytes of data. Current DVDs hold 4.7 gigabytes on single-layer discs and 8.5 gigabytes on dual-layer discs.
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