BR/HD-DVD Thread

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SegaR&D said:
No matter which way you look at it HD-DVD has won the war -

Warner
Paramount
Universal
New Line
Dreamworks

No wonder Sony begged for a compromise. The writing is on the wall.

Yeah.. the deal is sealed, Blu-Ray is dead.. HD-DVD wins

All those EXCLUSIVE deals for HD-DVD is gonna make Sony bleed (is there any? i don't think so:)), except, the only Exclusive deal is actually against HD-DVD.

No Sony pictures on HD-DVD :)
 
Ty said:
Hmm, which of those are exclusive?

We should have a recap of which studios have lined up behind who.

Well, the last update is this, from IGN:

Support for Blu-ray?
Warner is behind the development of HD-DVD with Toshiba and promises exclusive titles to HD-DVD only. This will also go for New Line, since it's a subsidiary.

Universal and Paramount have committed to HD-DVD, but have left themselves open to "other" platforms. Well, there's only one other currently, Blu-ray, so they have given themselves an out to do both platforms if they want.

Sony is pushing Blu-ray, and as such its titles will be exclusively Blu-ray. Considering that it just bought MGM, with its massive library, that's a lot of potential Blu-ray discs. Sony has been getting ready for Blu-ray for some time. All of its movies are mastered in high definition. If you look on the DVD case of a Sony title and it says "Mastered in High Definition," then that title is an easy conversion to Blu-ray. Last we heard, they had 1,500 titles ready to go.

Disney has committed to Blu-ray but left itself open-ended to HD-DVD.

20th Century Fox is on the Blu-ray board, but has not said it will release titles on either platform, Blu-ray or HD-DVD, but at this point Blu-ray is a given.

So right now all of this means that the market is almost evenly split. Sony/MGM, Fox and Disney have around 50% of the market, while Warner/New Line, Paramount and Universal are the other 50%. So now it's a matter of who blinks first.

What Plans Are There for PC Support/Drives?
Blu-ray drives are expected to replace DVD drives, both readers and writers, in PCs at some point. As Dell and Hewlett Packard are part of the Blu-ray Disc Association, expect to see them shift to Blu-ray players as soon as the price is reasonable.
 
Izzy said:
Pioneer says it will be available from Q3 2005 and retail at no more than their next DVD burner (A09/109 - expected Q1 2005) when released.

  • Specs
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  • BD-R: 4x
  • BD-R RE (Double Layer): 4x
  • DVD±R: 16x
  • DVD±RW: 4x
  • DVD+R DL: 4x
  • DVD-R DL: 2.4x
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JVC Creates Blu-ray/DVD Combo Disk

Japanese electronics giant JVC has unveiled a Blu-ray/DVD combination disk designed to ease the transition from traditional DVD content to next-generation high definition video.

The new disk supports both types of content, has a storage capacity of 33.5 GB, and uses a triple-layer structure, including an outside Blu-ray disk (BD) layer and inner DVD dual layer, based on JVC's high-performance reflective film technology.

With that much storage, JVC envisions releases that combine video content with commercials, music or games on a single disk. The company is also working on a combo disk with 58.5 GB storage capacity.
 
<center>Sun Microsystems Joins Blu-ray Disc Association as Contributing Member
Company's Java Technology Boosts the Many Interactive Features that Set Blu-ray Disc Apart as a Revolutionary Step in Home Entertainment
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[url=http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050106/66039_1.html said:
Press Release[/url]]HOLLYWOOD--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 6, 2005-- Sun Microsystems, the creator and leading advocate of Java(TM) technology, has joined the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) as a contributing member.

Sun joins the growing list of computing, consumer electronics, media, manufacturing, gaming and entertainment companies supporting the Blu-ray Disc platform.

"Blu-ray Disc offers a compelling, interactive entertainment and gaming platform that leaps substantially past current DVD standards," said Eric Chu, director, consumer and mobile systems group of Sun Microsystems. "We look forward to playing a key role in supporting Blu-ray Disc's inclusion of the Java platform to provide a unique set of interactive capabilities that will create new revenue opportunities for content vendors who use Blu-ray Disc for their movies, games or other products."

"Sun's addition to the Blu-ray Disc Association is another example of the tremendous, widespread support for Blu-ray Disc," said Maureen Weber, General Manager, Optical Storage Solutions Business, Hewlett Packard. "Sun's participation will be instrumental in the development of the many interactive features that set Blu-ray apart as a truly revolutionary step in home entertainment."
 
I think EA just annouced they would be supporting BR as well. So much for the idea that EA would try to squeeze Sony out of the console picture. Perhaps Sony isn't the target?
 
<center> Electronic Arts, Vivendi's Game Unit Join Blu-ray Disc Group </center>
[url=http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conews&amp;tkr=SNE:US said:
Press Release[/url]] January 6, 2005 21:17 EST -- Electronic Arts Inc., the largest maker of video games, and Vivendi Universal SA's game unit joined the Blu- ray Disc Association, which supports Sony Corp.'s format for the next generation of digital video discs.

Good call Ty! The PR isn't even up at their IR yet... odd.

<center>Bandai Visual Joins the Blu-ray Disc Association</center>
[url=http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&amp;newsId=20041221005186&amp;newsLang=en said:
Press Release[/url]] The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) announced that BANDAI VISUAL CO., Ltd. (BANDAI VISUAL), a worldwide visual production company, has joined the consortium that is currently almost 100 members strong and comprised of consumer electronics and PC manufacturers and content developers. With this announcement, consumers can expect to enjoy a rich high-definition library of Japanese animation, or Anime, and movies on a Blu-ray Disc.

In Japan, BANDAI VISUAL is a pioneer of animation software and widely held by viewers as a high-quality content creator. Currently, the animation movie industry is working to create a new library of high-definition content, for which the Blu-ray Disc format will provide the ideal solution.

"BANDAI VISUAL strives to provide the highest quality entertainment to consumers all over the world," said Shigeru Watanabe, senior managing director of Bandai Visual Co., Ltd. "Creating high-definition content such as animation is a very important theme for us. We expect Blu-ray Disc to strengthen our content technology and enable higher picture quality."
 
CES: Blu-Ray rules out merger with HD-DVD camp

The Blu-Ray Disc Association (BRDA) flexed its muscles at the Consumer Electronics Show by announcing four key new members to its group. It dismissed suggestions that its technology could merge with the competing HD DVD format.

A spokesperson from Blu-Ray said several CES visitors had suggested the two technologies should come together to ease the transition to a ubiquitous next-generation DVD standard.

But Blu-Ray backers - including Sony, HP, Philips and Sharp - aren't prepared to compromise, and with Sun Microsystems, Texas Instruments,

Electronic Arts (EA) and Vivendi announcing their backing for the standard at CES, the BRDA believes it's in an even stronger position.

'Blu-ray Disc has the capacity, functionality and interactivity we need for the kind of projects we have in mind, said Scott Cronce, EA's worldwide studio chief technical officer.

The BRDA said that its specification - supporting 50GB on a single side - holds 66 per cent more data than HD DVD, and has added benefits in durability, versatility and security.

But HD DVD, backed by NEC, Toshiba and Sanyo, among other companies, is likely to be cheaper to produce.

'What has to be given up to unify the two standards? Practically everything. It's too important to compromise,' said a BRDA spokesperson.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/67759/ces-bluray-rules-out-merger-with-hddvd-camp.html


Philips will be revealing its prototype all-in-one PC writer that reads and writes CD, DVD and Blu-ray Discs. The demonstration will be held on the Philips booth #9004 at the CES 2005 exhibition. The introduction of this unique all-in-one PC writer is scheduled for the second half of 2005.

The PC drive utilizes Philips' latest compact OPU81 triple-laser optical pick-up unit in which separate infra-red, red and blue lasers share the same optical pathway to provide Blu-ray Disc read/write capabilities as well as read/write compatibility with DVD and CD. This compact optical pick-up unit is based on a flexible architecture, allowing future speed improvements to be easily and cost-effectively implemented.

"With the introduction of this new product concept we have created the ultimate consumer product" said Cor Saris , CEO of Philips Optical Storage. " Combining the success of CD and DVD Recording with the BluRay Recording formats into one PC writer will accelerate the acceptance of this new format in the PC and Consumer market."

Blu-ray Disc is the most advanced new optical storage standard that will satisfy all next-generation requirements in terms of storage capacity, data speeds, copy protection, interactivity, convenience and cost. As consumers worldwide gain access to high-definition TV (HDTV) through cable, satellite and terrestrial channels, they are not going to be satisfied with less than equal quality in their video recordings. Blu-ray Disc is the only format with the capacity of 25 Gbytes on a single-layer disc and 50 Gbytes on a dual layer disc, to offer full-length feature movie playback using high-definition MPEG2 encoding ? the native compression technique for HDTV broadcasts ? or even more with advanced codecs, like AVC. In addition, for pre-recorded packaged media, Blu-ray Disc has sufficient capacity to include bonus materials and interactive sessions for an unparalleled entertainment experience. For PC users archiving photographs or video and other data on the hard disk, Blu-ray Disc is the only recordable/re-writable format that provides such a quantum leap in optical storage capacity and gives a seamless experience between PC and CE environments.

Philips is yet again at the forefront of supporting the establishment of Blu-ray Disc as the ultimate long-lasting standard that will take the industry forward in a quantum leap instead of a succession of incremental and consumer confusing steps.

Promoted by the world's leading consumer electronics, PC, disc replication manufacturers and movie studios, the global standardization activity for Blu-ray Disc has already attracted a total membership of more than 90 companies to the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA). The BDA includes companies from every part of the value chain in high quality video and multi-media delivery.

http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article1720.phtml
 
Vince said:
Sun Microsystems Joins Blu-ray Disc Association as Contributing Member

Since the Blu-ray standard requires Java for programmable contents, all BD-ROM players have to equip themselves with Java VM, so the support from Sun has been assumed... I wonder how Microsoft tries to implement Blu-ray support in Longhorn, though the Java issue between MS and Sun was already in settlement IIRC.
 
http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/f...magingcomtex_2005_01_07_ky_0000-5514-dvd.html

3 U.S. film studios to release 89 films on HD DVD in late 2005
, 01.07.05, 10:43 AM ET

Kyodo News

LAS VEGAS, Nevada, Jan 07, 2005 (Kyodo via COMTEX) -- Warner Bros. Studios and two other major U.S. film studios said Thursday they will release a total of 89 films on HD DVD, a new high-definition digital video format developed by Toshiba Corp. and NEC Corp., in the fourth quarter of 2005.

The 89 titles include the "Harry Potter" series and "Batman Begins" to be released by Warner Bros., "Van Helsing" and "The Bourne Supremacy" from Universal Pictures, and "The Manchurian Candidate" and "Forest Gump" from Paramount Pictures.

The announcements were made at the 2005 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

HD DVD is being promoted by the DVD Forum of more than 230 consumer electronics, information technology and content companies led by Japanese hardware makers Toshiba and NEC.

The format is competing against a rival technology called Blu-ray Disc, promoted by the Blue-ray Disc Association of nearly 100 members including Sony Corp. and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co.

The BDA said Thursday three leading providers of hardware and software -- Sun Microsystems Inc., Electronic Arts Inc. and Vivendi Universal Games Inc. -- have joined the group.

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Paul said:
HD-DVD, dead before it even will get a start.
Honest to Eru, will you and SegaR&amp;Deadmeat and others stop making utterly useless doomsaying statements as the entirety of your post, or as the "logical backup" of statements within them?

There is a reason we follow every move and try to analyze them in and of themselves, and how the fit into the overall picture. If you're not adding more information or commenting on them functionally, you could feel free to not stop by.
 
In my personal opinion, HD-DVD is a stupid evolutionary dead-end. It's smaller capacity-wise than BR as well as incompatible, and it will be released in the same timeframe, not significantly earlier which could otherwise have been a compelling reason to go with such a standard for some. There are zero redeeming features for this standard, all it accomplishes is splinter the market much the same way that the DVD +/- recordable standards did.

On top of it all, it means typing more letters on the keyboard too. Yech. :p
 
In my personal opinion, HD-DVD is a stupid evolutionary dead-end
IF you said hd-dvd and blue ray were stupid evolutionary dead ends .


I would have waited another year or two for a single layer 100 gig format .
 
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