BR/HD-DVD Thread

[one]

Then you have to add in the number of hd-dvd drives in computers or blu ray drives in computers .

Then you also have to figure that hd-dvd players may come out in 2005 and be affordable while the ps3 wont come out till 2006 . THen add in the fact that every company like dell will add in whatever drive is out at the time as the hot new reason to buy a pc .

Dell & HP are members of BDA and are supporting Blu-ray. For computers, storage capacity is more important. PCs by NEC and Toshiba, both are big PC makers, are expected to use HD-DVD, but I doubt others when HD-DVD drives are not cheaper than Blu-ray drives even when the manufacturing cost of HD-DVD discs are cheaper.

 

[jvd]

Dell & HP are members of BDA and are supporting Blu-ray. For computers, storage capacity is more important. PCs by NEC and Toshiba, both are big PC makers, are expected to use HD-DVD, but I doubt others when HD-DVD drives are not cheaper than Blu-ray drives even when the manufacturing cost of HD-DVD discs are cheaper.

Storage capacity is not more important in pcs .

If that was true zip drives would have become standard on the pc and floppys would have gone bye bye.

IF hd-dvd hits first it will win .

And depending on how cheap the media is compared to blueray media it may actually end up holding more data than blu ray for the same price .

I.e if you can get two hd-dvd discs for the price of one blue ray disc .

 

[one]

Dell & HP are members of BDA and are supporting Blu-ray. For computers, storage capacity is more important. PCs by NEC and Toshiba, both are big PC makers, are expected to use HD-DVD, but I doubt others when HD-DVD drives are not cheaper than Blu-ray drives even when the manufacturing cost of HD-DVD discs are cheaper.

Storage capacity is not more important in pcs .

If that was true zip drives would have become standard on the pc and floppys would have gone bye bye.

Huh? Floppy and Zip belong totally different markets. You are comparing CD-ROM drives and Blu-ray drives here.

 

[jvd]

Dell & HP are members of BDA and are supporting Blu-ray. For computers, storage capacity is more important. PCs by NEC and Toshiba, both are big PC makers, are expected to use HD-DVD, but I doubt others when HD-DVD drives are not cheaper than Blu-ray drives even when the manufacturing cost of HD-DVD discs are cheaper.

Storage capacity is not more important in pcs .

If that was true zip drives would have become standard on the pc and floppys would have gone bye bye.

Huh? Floppy and Zip belong totally different markets. You are comparing CD-ROM drives and Blu-ray drives here.

No i'm talking about what you said . YOu said in the pc market storage is more important and that simply isn't the case .

If it was the zip disc would have replaced the 3.5 floppy.

IF it was the super disc would have replaced the floppy .

The reason both of these thigns didn't happen was because the media was much more expensive

 

[one]

No i'm talking about what you said . YOu said in the pc market storage is more important and that simply isn't the case .

If it was the zip disc would have replaced the 3.5 floppy.

IF it was the super disc would have replaced the floppy .

The reason both of these thigns didn't happen was because the media was much more expensive

How do you think about the fact Floppy launched more than 10 years before Zip was introduced? HD-DVD and Blu-ray are in the same situation? It's too stretching and tottally irrelevant to my argument about storage size IMO. If you know any other logic why Dell & HP decided to support Blu-ray except for a bribe show me it.

 

[jvd]

How do you think about the fact Floppy launched more than 10 years before Zip was introduced? HD-DVD and Blu-ray are in the same situation? It's too stretching and tottally irrelevant to my argument about storage size IMO. If you know any other logic why Dell & HP decided to support Blu-ray except for a bribe show me it.

I'm sorry. I just check the dell website and see no blue ray players for sale in any pc .

Till they put it in a system they are selling its just pr . Just like amd having a rambus liscense .


As for a more recent example how about the one i provided , super disc vs 3.5 floppy disc 1.44mbs (think that was the amount ) that was within 2 years of each other launching .

 

[one]

As for a more recent example how about the one i provided , super disc vs 3.5 floppy disc 1.44mbs (think that was the amount ) that was within 2 years of each other launching .

Are you sure?

3.5inch floppy = developed by Sony in 1981
SuperDisk(LS-120) = developed by Matsushita, COMPAQ, etc. in 1996

 

[-tkf-]

Styill out of your ass. It shows no numbers , How do i know they didn't get 10 people for the study ?

Right and mabye in 2010 the ps3 might help blu ray . But it wont be the reason blu ray becomes mass market unless blu ray in and of itself is a faliure .

My p2 300 with 512 megs of ram ran dvd movies jsut fine .

No if anything the name hd-dvd will help hd-dvd sales start of stronger than dvds started off with . For a few reasons

I guess there is no reason to post links to any kind of research/studies, they are just made up anyway. So i asked 2 people here and they never used their PC for DVD playback. They didn't have the needed CPU power or the software or the MPEG2 card. But i'm sure for every DVD drive that was sold there was either a CPU upgrade or a MPEG2 card included.

And are we actually sure there will be HD playback on the PC?, didn't the DeCSS case burn hollywood? I would think it will be a while before we will see HD playback from either HD-DVD or BluRay on a PC. It's just to easy to copy.

As we discuss this i'm more and more convinced that the PS3 will be significiant in the HD wars, it's great!

And i like your arrogant in your face posting style, it stands as a good example for the rest of us.

 

[PC-Engine]

And are we actually sure there will be HD playback on the PC?, didn't the DeCSS case burn hollywood? I would think it will be a while before we will see HD playback from either HD-DVD or BluRay on a PC. It's just to easy to copy.

Toshiba as well as NEC said they will have HD DVD drives in computers at the end of 2005. Both Blu-ray and HD DVD use the new AACS system.

Oh btw isn't Dreamworks owned by TimeWarner?

No.

Ok, so Dreamworks will supposedly support Blu-ray, but they have released movies like AI through WarnerBros too so it looks like they'll be supporting both formats.

 

[London Geezer]

Ok, so Dreamworks will supposedly support Blu-ray, but they have released movies like AI through WarnerBros too so it looks like they'll be supporting both formats.

I still haven't seen anything written anywhere saying that the companies "supporting" one format, will exclusively support that format. So far it's all a big mess in my opinion.

What do you output to?

You mean monitor-wise? Just my monitor, which is also my TV (long story).

 

[-tkf-]

Toshiba as well as NEC said they will have HD DVD drives in computers at the end of 2005. Both Blu-ray and HD DVD use the new AACS system.

AACS system? You have a link to some info on that. What i was mostly interested in was actual movie playback on the PC.

One thing is certain, if PC playback is supported then there will be some form of pirate copies making the round.

 

[London Geezer]

One thing is certain, if PC playback is supported then there will be some form of pirate copies making the round.

*imagines downloading 50-200GB files*

 

[PC-Engine]

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1656744,00.asp

 

[-tkf-]

*imagines downloading 50-200GB files*

Current "downloadable" HD content is WMV encoded.

 

[London Geezer]

*imagines downloading 50-200GB files*

Current "downloadable" HD content is WMV encoded.

*not from personal experience*

... But u do find torrents for .vob files, straight from DVDs... 4GB or more worth of date... errrr....

 

[London Geezer]

Hey if IGN says it, it must be true

What Movie Studios Currently Show Support for Blu-ray?
Warner is behind the development of HD-DVD with Toshiba and promises exclusive titles to HD-DVD only. This will also go for New Line, since it's a subsidiary.

Universal and Paramount have committed to HD-DVD, but have left themselves open to "other" platforms. Well, there's only one other currently, Blu-ray, so they have given themselves an out to do both platforms if they want.

Sony is pushing Blu-ray, and as such its titles will be exclusively Blu-ray. Considering that it just bought MGM, with its massive library, that's a lot of potential Blu-ray discs. Sony has been getting ready for Blu-ray for some time. All of its movies are mastered in high definition. If you look on the DVD case of a Sony title and it says "Mastered in High Definition," then that title is an easy conversion to Blu-ray. Last we heard, they had 1,500 titles ready to go.

Disney has committed to Blu-ray but left itself open-ended to HD-DVD.

20th Century Fox is on the Blu-ray board, but has not said it will release titles on either platform, Blu-ray or HD-DVD, but at this point Blu-ray is a given.

So right now all of this means that the market is almost evenly split. Sony/MGM, Fox and Disney have around 50% of the market, while Warner/New Line, Paramount and Universal are the other 50%. So now it's a matter of who blinks first.

What Plans Are There for PC Support/Drives?
Blu-ray drives are expected to replace DVD drives, both readers and writers, in PCs at some point. As Dell and Hewlett Packard are part of the Blu-ray Disc Association, expect to see them shift to Blu-ray players as soon as the price is reasonable.

 

[-tkf-]

... But u do find torrents for .vob files, straight from DVDs... 4GB or more worth of date... errrr....

The HD stuff can be bigger, i have seen a guy list 12-20GB mpeg2 files for single titles.

He just records it on air stuff for himself. Lots of people back it up in WMV and some "share it".

 

[London Geezer]

... But u do find torrents for .vob files, straight from DVDs... 4GB or more worth of date... errrr....

The HD stuff can be bigger, i have seen a guy list 12-20GB mpeg2 files for single titles.

He just records it on air stuff for himself. Lots of people back it up in WMV and some "share it".

What a waste of resources. Wouldn't be surprised if it was for bloody football matches in HD.

 

[-tkf-]

What a waste of resources. Wouldn't be surprised if it was for bloody football matches in HD.

Well i would imagine that some people without access to HD content would download for football and award shows for weeks just to actually experience HD.

Of course this is not based on personal experience

 

[London Geezer]

What a waste of resources. Wouldn't be surprised if it was for bloody football matches in HD.

Well i would imagine that some people without access to HD content would download for football and award shows for weeks just to actually experience HD.

Of course this is not based on personal experience

FREEEEK!!!