BR/HD-DVD Thread
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randycat99
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Ok, I see what you are saying now, tkf (admist from all the other, ahem, noise 
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So if PS3 numbers begin to make considerable strides over XB2 numbers (very plausible), Hollywood studios will reconsider their stance on BR releases (which will further entrench BR). It's plausible. Potential sales of 75+ mil is certainly nothing to sneer at. It is only hoped that the market does not get fragmented too deeply/early on by HD-DVD, which will lead to the consumer getting confused/frustrated and both formats will flounder until a singular HD format arises (imo).
).So if PS3 numbers begin to make considerable strides over XB2 numbers (very plausible), Hollywood studios will reconsider their stance on BR releases (which will further entrench BR). It's plausible. Potential sales of 75+ mil is certainly nothing to sneer at. It is only hoped that the market does not get fragmented too deeply/early on by HD-DVD, which will lead to the consumer getting confused/frustrated and both formats will flounder until a singular HD format arises (imo).
PC-Engine said:-tkf- said:
And the exact same thing you've been saying have been shot down repeatedly. People will buy DVD players to watch DVD movies they deem worthy. If the PS2 didn't have DVD playback, people will still buy DVD players. You act like if a household has 1 DVD player and 1 PS2 DVD player, that household will buy two copies of the same movie...makes no sense at all. More DVD players can just mean people are buying a second unit for their other room etc. It doesn't necessarilly mean more DVD sales.
Regarding PS3's trojan Blu-ray horse, well if you hadn't noticed, I shot that down thoroughly starting with your 50% DVD movie usage on PS2 above.
Engie, have you ever seen a DVD movie with a label "PS2 Compatible"? If so, what does that tell you? If not, what does it still tell you?
*PC-Engine's mind move to spinning crap mode* j/k
Now that's something I can certainly see. As I've said for a while now, I would not be surprised if the media conglomerates crack down on both camps and try to force the hardware companies to do what they want--which is a level of divergence more like what -R/+R (and other stray formats) were to DVD, rather than a Betamax/VHS decision. If it's within the hardware makers' capabilities to provide it, what do THEY care? Then they wouldn't have to worry about what support to send where and how long... they would simply make whatever media is more profitable to them and when, confident that whatever they choose would be usable by most of the public.randycat99 said:
Round 1 won't fall that way, but they may seek to leverage things so that further rounds become more moot.
Jov said:PC-Engine said:-tkf- said:
And the exact same thing you've been saying have been shot down repeatedly. People will buy DVD players to watch DVD movies they deem worthy. If the PS2 didn't have DVD playback, people will still buy DVD players. You act like if a household has 1 DVD player and 1 PS2 DVD player, that household will buy two copies of the same movie...makes no sense at all. More DVD players can just mean people are buying a second unit for their other room etc. It doesn't necessarilly mean more DVD sales.
Regarding PS3's trojan Blu-ray horse, well if you hadn't noticed, I shot that down thoroughly starting with your 50% DVD movie usage on PS2 above.
Engie, have you ever seen a DVD movie with a label "PS2 Compatible"? If so, what does that tell you? If not, what does it still tell you?
*PC-Engine's mind move to spinning crap mode* j/k
When quotes are taken out of context, they may sound strange sometimes.
Well late Wednesday, Disney apparently issued a press release that they will be issuing titles in Blu-Ray. Again, a non-exclusive deal but Disney is also joining the board of directors of the Blu-Ray Disc Association.
Fox is already a member of that board and has been participating in setting various specs. But they have not yet announced which format they will be releasing their movies on.
Fox is already a member of that board and has been participating in setting various specs. But they have not yet announced which format they will be releasing their movies on.
Have any skies fallen yet?
...no?
...no?
Wasn't it "Disney should make it's announcement conserning HD-DVD soon", or something like that (at least that's how it was understood)
That's what I read earlier (in this thread?).
PC-Engine, what do you know about this, I remember it was you who said it.
Of course it can be spinned anyway you want it, as Disney's press release conserning Blu Ray support can be just read between the lines as an "indirect comment on HD-DVD"
That's what I read earlier (in this thread?).
PC-Engine, what do you know about this, I remember it was you who said it.
Of course it can be spinned anyway you want it, as Disney's press release conserning Blu Ray support can be just read between the lines as an "indirect comment on HD-DVD"
Disney was still negotiating with respect to HD DVD. That said I had predicted they would be on board guess I was wrong and maybe the BDA gave them a better deal?
Regardless this is a non exclusive announcement anyway.
Having Disney on board is great I admit, but personally I don't have ANY DVDs from Disney. As a matter of fact I have some DVDs from SONY pictures FFSTW.
Regardless this is a non exclusive announcement anyway.
Having Disney on board is great I admit, but personally I don't have ANY DVDs from Disney. As a matter of fact I have some DVDs from SONY pictures FFSTW.
What does it matter if you have or have not Sony, Disney, WB or whatever discs... on a larger scale. I don't think Blu Ray will fail just because you don't buy Disney discs
I think all the deals announced thus far have been non-exclusive, thus they have little effect on the long-term success of the format, don't you think.
I think all the deals announced thus far have been non-exclusive, thus they have little effect on the long-term success of the format, don't you think.
rabidrabbit said:What does it matter if you have or have not Sony, Disney, WB or whatever discs... on a larger scale. I don't think Blu Ray will fail just because you don't buy Disney discs
I think all the deals announced thus far have been non-exclusive, thus they have little effect on the long-term success of the format, don't you think.
Heh I left that wide open because I knew you wouldn't be abe to resist the opportunity.
I think the smaller studios will support both formats in the long run, but the larger ones like WB/NLC/Dreamworks or SPE/Columbia/MGM will likely stick with only one format relying on CE manufactures to adopt dual format players.
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PC-Engine said:Disney was still negotiating with respect to HD DVD. That said I had predicted they would be on board guess I was wrong and maybe the BDA gave them a better deal?
Regardless this is a non exclusive announcement anyway.
Having Disney on board is great I admit, but personally I don't have ANY DVDs from Disney. As a matter of fact I have some DVDs from SONY pictures FFSTW.
Having Disney on board means you will get 90% of the family market. No parent is able to withstand constantly disappointing their children by no being able to get the movies they want.
And will children push their parents for the latest very expensive HDTV and HDDVD players or Blue Ray players?
Those must be some very clever children, let me say....
Those must be some very clever children, let me say....
Nick Laslett said:PC-Engine said:Disney was still negotiating with respect to HD DVD. That said I had predicted they would be on board guess I was wrong and maybe the BDA gave them a better deal?
Regardless this is a non exclusive announcement anyway.
Having Disney on board is great I admit, but personally I don't have ANY DVDs from Disney. As a matter of fact I have some DVDs from SONY pictures FFSTW.
Having Disney on board means you will get 90% of the family market. No parent is able to withstand constantly disappointing their children by no being able to get the movies they want.
Yes I think that Disney has some of the highest selling titles for DVDs. So since they've backed BR, it's a big win for BR.
No Blu-Ray playback on PS3?
Widely assumed the BR drive in the PS3 would mean you could play BR movies.
But some people aren't so sure. The reasoning is that it would severely undercut standalone BR player prices and the BR companies want to make money, at least in the first years of the BR availability. The movie market doesn't have high-margin content to subsidize low-margin or negative-margin HW (and movies are around $20 while games are $40-50).
I seem to recall just before the PS2 was released that there was some question whether the PS2 would play back DVDs. There were discussions on USENET about whether the EE could decode MPEG2. At the last minute almost, Sony made an announcement that the PS2 would indeed play DVD movies.
Of course the Xbox chose not to have DVD playback without purchasing a $30 kit, which covered the licensing costs.
So while the PS3 should be capable of playing back DVDs, could Sony balk on giving movie playback capability? Not just to appease the BR partners but also, cost reasons.
Because not only would they be paying BR movie licenses, they'd be paying VC-1 licenses to Microsoft. Imagine, MS getting a royalty on every PS3 sold...
Widely assumed the BR drive in the PS3 would mean you could play BR movies.
But some people aren't so sure. The reasoning is that it would severely undercut standalone BR player prices and the BR companies want to make money, at least in the first years of the BR availability. The movie market doesn't have high-margin content to subsidize low-margin or negative-margin HW (and movies are around $20 while games are $40-50).
I seem to recall just before the PS2 was released that there was some question whether the PS2 would play back DVDs. There were discussions on USENET about whether the EE could decode MPEG2. At the last minute almost, Sony made an announcement that the PS2 would indeed play DVD movies.
Of course the Xbox chose not to have DVD playback without purchasing a $30 kit, which covered the licensing costs.
So while the PS3 should be capable of playing back DVDs, could Sony balk on giving movie playback capability? Not just to appease the BR partners but also, cost reasons.
Because not only would they be paying BR movie licenses, they'd be paying VC-1 licenses to Microsoft. Imagine, MS getting a royalty on every PS3 sold...
I can buy that argument. Back then DVD was going to be the defacto standard (right? I think) so Sony added DVD playback capability to leverage that strength for PS2 sales. Now, though, with BR in a heated fight against HD-DVD, perhaps Sony can't put in BR playback without hurting their BR partners, which in turn would weaken BR's chances to win the market. I dunno, just crazy speculation.
Anyhow, was there not a quote from a Sony representative or press release claiming the PS3 would have BR playback?
Anyhow, was there not a quote from a Sony representative or press release claiming the PS3 would have BR playback?
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