BR/HD-DVD Thread

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Spidermate said:
Xenus said:
The one advandtage blu-ray holds is its eight layer 200GB superdisk.
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Actually, there's much, much more to it than that. That just happens to be the most political.

How is the 8 layers 200GB feature the most political? Beside all the politics behind it, its really down to cost (lower for HD-DVD) vs capacity (BR).

As for the HD-DVD releasing in '05, its still too close to the release of PS3 with BR to determine the earlier release advantage as it will depend on the sales before the PS3 picks up momentum.
 
The majority of PS3 units will be hooked up to SDTVs not HDTVs so the potential isn't even that great considering the divided studio support. We all know this isn't PS2 and DVD Forum vs VHS and LD.
 
PC-Engine said:
The majority of PS3 units will be hooked up to SDTVs not HDTVs so the potential isn't even that great considering the divided studio support. We all know this isn't PS2 and DVD Forum vs VHS and LD.

Isn't this argument getting old? PS3 to last between 2006-2010/1 which is the same era consumers transition from SD to HD?

Money talks and the studios will follow where the money is or will be if the PS3 install grows rapidly.
 
By 2006 HD DVD players would have come down in price too. Just remember that a person buying a HD DVD player either already owns a HDTV and/or will get one to watch the HD DVDs they'll also get .

A person buying a PS3 may or may not have a HDTV. They may or may not buy Blu-ray movies depending on the first condition. Very few people are going to buy PS3 just so they can watch SONY and MGM movies as the majoity of them will be buying it for games.
 
By 2007 large HDTV screens would have come down in price too. Just remember that a person buying a HDTV either already owns a HD tuner/player/recorder and/or will get one to see the higher resolution their new TV offers they'll also get material to play in their BluRay players.

A person buying a xbox2 may or may not have a HDTV. They may or may not buy HD-DVD movies depending on the first condition. Very few people are going to buy xbox2 just so they can watch HD-DVD Warner and Disney movies as they do not have a HDTV, and the majoity of them will be buying it for games.
 
rabidrabbit said:
By 2007 large HDTV screens would have come down in price too. Just remember that a person buying a HDTV either already owns a HD tuner/player/recorder and/or will get one to see the higher resolution their new TV offers they'll also get material to play in their BluRay players.

A person buying a xbox2 may or may not have a HDTV. They may or may not buy HD-DVD movies depending on the first condition. Very few people are going to buy xbox2 just so they can watch HD-DVD Warner and Disney movies as they do not have a HDTV, and the majoity of them will be buying it for games.

And by 2007 two full years after HD DVD players launch, HD DVD players will be even cheaper while PS3 won't. ;)

Why would they buy Blu-ray movies instead of HD DVD movies which has more backing by Hollywood not to mention more movies out by 2007? :LOL:

Also what does Xbox2 have anything to do with HD DVD??? Has it been confirmed that Xenon will incorporate HD DVD? Trying to act cute isn't going to strengthen your argument nor increase your intelligence for that matter. :LOL:
 
And by 2007 two full years after HD DVD players launch, HD DVD players will cost about the same (if not slightly more) as PS3. ;)

Why would they buy HD-DVD movies instead of BluRay movies which has more installed base of BR capable players (PS3) not to mention more BR playing consoles out by 2007? :LOL:
Why would they (console buyers) buy HD-DVD movies or Blu-Ray movies regardless of backing by Hollywood not to mention the still relatively low quantity of movies out by 2006, if they yet don't have a HD display? :LOL:

Also what does HD-DVD have anything to do with consoles??? Has it been confirmed that xbox2 will incorporate HD DVD?
Should this thread be already dead then? Why are you constantly bringin arguments over HD-DVD's superiority in console forum if it has nothing to do with next gen consoles?? Trying to act smartass isn't going to strengthen your argument nor increase your intelligence for that matter. :LOL:
 
And by 2007 two full years after HD DVD players launch, HD DVD players will cost about the same (if not slightly more) as PS3.

Yes just like how people bought PS2 to watch DVDs because it's a slightly cheaper DVD player without a remote control with poor DVD movie compatibility and shoddy build quality. Heh they saved a couple of bucks right? ;)

Why would they buy HD-DVD movies instead of BluRay movies which has more installed base of BR capable players (PS3) not to mention more BR playing consoles out by 2007?

Because Hollywood understands that the average Joe in his room with a PS3 hooked up to his SDTV isn't going to buy HD movies. Hollywood likes to make money. :LOL:

Why would they (console buyers) buy HD-DVD movies or Blu-Ray movies regardless of backing by Hollywood not to mention the still relatively low quantity of movies out by 2006, if they yet don't have a HD display?

Maybe because hardware without content is bound to fail like MD music, BETAMAX movies, UMD movies? :LOL: Why wouldn't they have a HD display if they're buying HD DVD movies? Are they going to just watch them on SDTV like Joe and his PS3? :LOL:

Also what does HD-DVD have anything to do with consoles??? Has it been confirmed that xbox2 will incorporate HD DVD?
Should this thread be already dead then? Why are you constantly bringin arguments over HD-DVD's superiority in console forum if it has nothing to do with next gen consoles?? Trying to act smartass isn't going to strengthen your argument nor increase your intelligence for that matter.

Because if you had more than two brain cells to rub together, you'd be able to read the title of this thread? :LOL:
 
-tkf- said:
PC-Engine said:
Troll attempt

75 Million DVD Players, 75 Million potential customers ,lots of them kids.

LETS IGNORE THEM WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE MONEY!

- Hollywood

DVD players can't play Blu-ray movies. If they could, SONY would'nt be selling $3000 BR units. Or are those just $3000 DVD players with Blu-ray compatibility? :LOL:
 
PC-Engine said:
-tkf- said:
PC-Engine said:
Troll attempt

75 Million DVD Players, 75 Million potential customers ,lots of them kids.

LETS IGNORE THEM WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE MONEY!

- Hollywood

DVD players can't play Blu-ray movies. If they could, SONY would'nt be selling $3000 BR units. Or are those just $3000 DVD players with Blu-ray compatibility? :LOL:

Thats PS3's :)
 
PC-Engine said:
Heh after 5 years maybe. In 5 years we'll have dual format HD players anyway. :D :oops:

Year by Year comparison:

2001:
24.99 million units (Japan: 8.30 million/ USA: 9.87 million/ Europe: 6.82 million) (2 years after launch (Japan launch))

DVD Sales in USA upto 2001 (5 years after launch):
26 Million

By "age":

DVD 3 years old:
7 Million

PS2 2 years old:
24.99 million units (Japan: 8.30 million/ USA: 9.87 million/ Europe: 6.82 million) (2 years after launch)

So lets say we will see a pattern like PS2 for the PS3 (likely).

And that HD will be adopted as fast as DVD (unlikely).

Then there will be more PS3 HD players than stand alone HD players.

And given that the PS3 launches closer to HD than it did to DVD it should be an even bigger factor than the PS2 was.

EDIT: Stupid things
 
PC-Engine said:
Also what does Xbox2 have anything to do with HD DVD??? Has it been confirmed that Xenon will incorporate HD DVD? Trying to act cute isn't going to strengthen your argument nor increase your intelligence for that matter. :LOL:

Well you seem to think its a sure thing.

From Xenon CES thread:

PC-Engine said:
MS will make an announcement about HD DVD and Xenon at CES...

Now don't tell me MS will make an announcement NOT to have HD-DVD was what you had in mind? :LOL:
 
Maybe he means MS will make an announcement about their own standard, the XMSHD-DVD, to be used only on the Xbox2.

And we'll have 3 formats, the BR shelf, the HDDVD shelf, and the XMSHD-DVD shelf!!! Yay!!! :?
 
Practically every HT geek and most with HDTVs will probably buy a PS3 if it launches at $300 and standalone blue-laser players and recorders, whether they're Blu-Ray or HD-DVD are above $500.

There are at least 13 million HDTV owners now and there will be another 10 million by the end of 2005.

So by the time the PS3 launches there will be about 25 million HDTV displays. That's in the US alone.

You can bet that many of the first PS3s bought will be by people with HDTVs.

In fact, there's a lot of overlap already between gamers and videophiles. Check hdtvarcade.com. Even though HDTV support on the Xbox is nominal, there are a lot of gamers who bought HDTVs just to get 480p and 16:9 support from the minority of games which support it.

And these aren't just the $600 27-inch Sanyos that people are buying. A lot of them are getting DLP and plasmas. You see, the gamer profile is no longer the teen saving up money from his paper route to buy a console and a few games. That was the profile in the '80s.

Now, those guys have grown up, went to college, got professional jobs, raising families now. All through that time, they gamed and they continue to game because it's comparatively good entertainment compared to the Internet, movies and TV, even though these gamers are also interested in those as well.

Even non-gamers who own nice displays will get the PS3 for Blu-Ray as well as CG in games which are running at HDTV resolutions.

If the PS3 and any other console which supports HDTV resolutions in either games or movies require a special cable accessory (like the Xbox HD Pack or component cables), there will be a high tie ratio between consoles sold and such accessories. My guess is they will have to support DVI or HDMI termination and those will sell very well, at least a 70% tie ratio.

That will tell you that people are indeed hooking up consoles to HDTVs.
 
london-boy said:
Maybe he means MS will make an announcement about their own standard, the XMSHD-DVD, to be used only on the Xbox2.

And we'll have 3 formats, the BR shelf, the HDDVD shelf, and the XMSHD-DVD shelf!!! Yay!!! :?

PC-Engy did state "HD DVD".

If there is an MS HD format, their codec will be in all three. Now how will this turn out?
 
Jov said:
london-boy said:
Maybe he means MS will make an announcement about their own standard, the XMSHD-DVD, to be used only on the Xbox2.

And we'll have 3 formats, the BR shelf, the HDDVD shelf, and the XMSHD-DVD shelf!!! Yay!!! :?

PC-Engy did you "HD DVD".

If there is an MS HD format, their codec will be in all three. Now how will this turn out?

Hey i was only joking....
 
PC-Engine said:
Yes just like how people bought PS2 to watch DVDs because it's a slightly cheaper DVD player without a remote control with poor DVD movie compatibility and shoddy build quality. Heh they saved a couple of bucks right? ;)

But isn't that the argument we hear all the time, that people bought the PS2 over the Dreamcast because of the DVD capability?
 
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