BR/HD-DVD Thread
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Good idea Teasy. Find a comparable "tv-like" movie as well if you can. I wonder if there are available movies on the net that clearly illustrate the difference.
Does playing them back on your PC monitor though, skew the comparison (because it's not the same thing as watching a SD source on an SD monitor compared against watching an HD source on an HD monitor)?
Does playing them back on your PC monitor though, skew the comparison (because it's not the same thing as watching a SD source on an SD monitor compared against watching an HD source on an HD monitor)?
I downloaded a couple of samples. One was a sample of the movie The Ring at 1280x720 but unfortunately it looks for a codec download and then refuses to play when it can't find it. The other was a sample of Alien which looked for a codec and then, when it couldn't find it, played what looked like green screen or something.. very od. Both vids were DivX and I've got both the DivX and XviD codec.. Ah well I'll keep trying 
EDIT: Ok I got one of them to play. Its a sample of Coyote Ugly at 1280x720 using the DivX Codex. It did look quite sharpe. But unfortunately I think the video sample rate wasn't quite high enough as I could just about see some artifacts when I looked very closely. Which would obviously ruin the effect of HD.
EDIT: Ok I got one of them to play. Its a sample of Coyote Ugly at 1280x720 using the DivX Codex. It did look quite sharpe. But unfortunately I think the video sample rate wasn't quite high enough as I could just about see some artifacts when I looked very closely. Which would obviously ruin the effect of HD.
-tkf- said:
Progressive film telecined into 1080i and automatically ITVCd can be impressive ... that is quite irrelevant to 1080i as a format. It would be better to just standardize on 1080p at 24 Hz for that kind of content, and not to confuse the issue.
True interlaced content (not to mention the bogus telecining methods people keep coming up with, people are still fieldblending for christ's sake) will cause another generation of poor format conversion and deinterlacing problems (especially with displays going progressive).
If you want to see 720p and 1080p content, go here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx
I assume they're all 24 FPS, but I don't know. They are amazing to watch if your computer can decode them fast enough.
I assume they're all 24 FPS, but I don't know. They are amazing to watch if your computer can decode them fast enough.
I don't know how accurate this is, but it sounds reasonable to me: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20041004.gtbluoct4/BNStory/Technology/
Apparently, Fox is not behind BR like reported. They joined the group to see what's going on. They have not decided how much they're going to support each format yet.
Apparently, Fox is not behind BR like reported. They joined the group to see what's going on. They have not decided how much they're going to support each format yet.
I thought 1080i was the highest resolution they could sustain given the bitrate/bandwidth constraints for broadcast video.
With BR, they're talking about 36 Mbps to deliver 1080p. How much spectrum would they have had to allocate to deliver 36 Mbps instead of 19 Mbps?
The other thing is that the manufacturers who sat on the ATSC committee knew having to deliver only progressive sets would be prohibitively expensive.
Right now, 1080i is more common than 720p. Now 1080p displays are coming but only in the high-end, at least for now.
With BR, they're talking about 36 Mbps to deliver 1080p. How much spectrum would they have had to allocate to deliver 36 Mbps instead of 19 Mbps?
The other thing is that the manufacturers who sat on the ATSC committee knew having to deliver only progressive sets would be prohibitively expensive.
Right now, 1080i is more common than 720p. Now 1080p displays are coming but only in the high-end, at least for now.
Toshiba is pushing MS to include HD-DVD in the Xenon.
Maybe they will even give away the drives at cost?
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/554/554095p1.html?fromint=1
Maybe they will even give away the drives at cost?
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/554/554095p1.html?fromint=1
They're just too expensive for a late 2005 launch. I get the impression that MS is really tired of loosing so much money on the hardware. And that makes HD-DVD quite an outside possibility from my point of view.
Tuttle said:
I saw this demoed at IBC this year.. @8 mbit it was disapointing, of course pretty much any normal person would be "blown" away by the highres etc etc.. i just saw artifacts like on first generation DVD.
It will get better, it sure had big potential, the birate they showed it in was just to low.
HD DVD Promotion Group Wants to Power Xbox 2
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/6924/HD-DVD-Promotion-Group-Wants-to-Power-Xbox-2
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/6924/HD-DVD-Promotion-Group-Wants-to-Power-Xbox-2
Depends what kind of deal they are willing to give. If they're willing to cut low and drop the price over time nicely as costs decrease (something I don't believe they got with many parts in the Xbox), MS may decide it's worth it.Inane_Dork said:
But depending on how early the launch, one side or another may decide the costs just aren't worth it to push for HD-DVD's inclusion. Unless one side hits COMPLETE desperation.
But the risk with HD-DVD is that they may back the format which loses.
Right now, BR has most of the hardware manufacturers lined up. They also have some content lined up, like Sony's own Columbia, which will mean Spiderman 1, 2 and probably 3 by the time BR launches.
BR has greater storage capacity off the bat and has the prospects for more down the line. If will have greater recording capacity, which was one of the reasons VHS beat Beta.
However, it's assumed that Warner Bros. and Disney are leaning towards HD-DVD because Warner has patents and Disney has a deal with Microsoft. WB and Disney combined command over 40% of the DVD marketshare.
Disney was a latecomer to DVD. It tried to back DivX but eventually came to its senses. However, Disney won't have Pixar films to sell after one more film and Pixar sold a lot of DVDs for Disney.
It's a risk for both sides, unless the studios start to show their cards.
Right now, BR has most of the hardware manufacturers lined up. They also have some content lined up, like Sony's own Columbia, which will mean Spiderman 1, 2 and probably 3 by the time BR launches.
BR has greater storage capacity off the bat and has the prospects for more down the line. If will have greater recording capacity, which was one of the reasons VHS beat Beta.
However, it's assumed that Warner Bros. and Disney are leaning towards HD-DVD because Warner has patents and Disney has a deal with Microsoft. WB and Disney combined command over 40% of the DVD marketshare.
Disney was a latecomer to DVD. It tried to back DivX but eventually came to its senses. However, Disney won't have Pixar films to sell after one more film and Pixar sold a lot of DVDs for Disney.
It's a risk for both sides, unless the studios start to show their cards.
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