Bill Gates On Xbox 360, PS3 and HD-DVD

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Engadget were lucky enough to interview Bill Gates at CES. Here's what he had to say about the Xbox 360, the Playstation 3, and also the HD-DVD v Blu-Ray battle.

Here's some of the key points to come out of the interview:

- There will be 50 Xbox 360 game titles by the "middle of the year".

- New peripherals also coming out include the Xbox 360 camera, and some PC connections so that you can text message between your PC and Xbox 360 (among other things).

- Gates confirmed that they are not specially trying to get Halo 3 ready for the PS3 launch - "... it's up to the team when they want to ship that, and they're going to take their time to make that a super great product. So even we don't know when that will come out."

On being ready to taking on Sony later this year:

We've got a lot of things that they don't know that we're doing, so we'll keep them on edge a bit. We think that this whole thing has become very software centric; that is, the toolkits that let developers do their best creative work -- that plays to our software strength, as well as the idea of Live, where we had to learn a lot with Xbox 1, and the decision to require broadband, to go with VoIP, but we learned a lot about wanting to put things into the operating system so you can chat even while you're playing the games, it's really a level of richness that the games are built on top of that we didn't have that last time. We learned how to do that, we learned about contests and spectators, and so this is really a second generation of Live for us. It's very based on software expertise, so it will be interesting to see what Sony does in that dimension.

We also now have a situation where if your friend has already bought an Xbox and you go to buy something that you want to play with them, it's not like last time where at his house you play his game and at your house you play your game. Now it's all online, you've got your achievements and things, so it will be a fascinating competition.

On Microsoft choosing HD-DVD over Blu-Ray:

I think the best thing would be to have a common standard for the industry that would include great things like Managed Copy. The studios have to be willing to take that risk to let consumers have that flexibility, otherwise I think they're just making a mistake that the next digital format may not get to critical mass at all, no matter which one it is. I also think the interactivity, there should be some alignment around that, but eventually there probably will be some coming together and it's not easy to predict when that will be.

Read more at Engadget

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/09/the-engadget-interview-bill-gates-again/
 
Hardknock said:
On Microsoft choosing HD-DVD over Blu-Ray:

I think the best thing would be to have a common standard for the industry that would include great things like Managed Copy. The studios have to be willing to take that risk to let consumers have that flexibility, otherwise I think they're just making a mistake that the next digital format may not get to critical mass at all, no matter which one it is. I also think the interactivity, there should be some alignment around that, but eventually there probably will be some coming together and it's not easy to predict when that will be.

Read more at Engadget

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/09/the-engadget-interview-bill-gates-again/

Uhm....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6866449&&#post6866449

- HD-XA1 does not support Managed Copy, since compliance rule for Managed Copy in AACS has not been decided yet. It is expected to be upgraded to support MC later.

http://www.blu-ray.com/

Nov 16, 2005 - Blu-ray Disc to Support Mandatory Managed Copy

The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) today confirmed that Mandatory Managed Copy (MMC), which allows users to legally copy discs and transfer the digital files over a home network, will be supported by the Blu-ray Disc format. This was one of two features that HP recently requested be added to the Blu-ray Disc format, the other one was Microsoft's iHD layer for interactivity. "Mandatory managed copy will be part of Blu-ray format, but while HP's request (for interactivity) is being considered, at this point in time, the Blu-ray group is still proceeding down the path of Java," Blu-ray spokesman Andy Parsons told Reuters in an interview. "We are taking their request seriously, but are not willing to delay the launch. I'm not saying we would not implement what they've requested, but it's not going to stop the format at this time."


Talk about trying to find excuses to support one format over the other... At least he could do some research first... He could just say "i don't like Java, therefore we're going for HDDVD" and look MUCH more professional than he does now, the clown.
In the meantime, Bluray supports MC, but HDDVD currently doesn't... Which leads me to wonder... What the hell is Bill Gates on this time? :???:

Just be honest, let it out, and look much more intelligent than you do now, Billy!
 
london-boy said:
Uhm....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6866449&&#post6866449



http://www.blu-ray.com/




Talk about trying to find excuses to support one format over the other... At least he could do some research first... He could just say "i don't like Java, therefore we're going for HDDVD" and look MUCH more professional than he does now, the clown.
In the meantime, Bluray supports MC, but HDDVD currently doesn't... Which leads me to wonder... What the hell is Bill Gates on this time? :???:

Just be honest, let it out, and look much more intelligent than you do now, Billy!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Blu-ray's implementation is spec'd such that MMC support is optional, depending on whether the studio wants it there or not. HD-DVD's version is required, but the studio has the option of charging for it.
 
Sis said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Blu-ray's implementation is spec'd such that MMC support is optional, depending on whether the studio wants it there or not. HD-DVD's version is required, but the studio has the option of charging for it.

What's the point of having MMC if you're being charged for it. Why should I buy the movie again just to make my own personal copy, talk about double dipping. It seems that feature is really just to appease the consumers.

I personally don't care of the feature as I don't rip DVDs for backup, mainly due to limited capacity coupled with lots of DVDs I own. Why should I do it with HD content. I never really understood that feature... :???:
 
Sis said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Blu-ray's implementation is spec'd such that MMC support is optional, depending on whether the studio wants it there or not. HD-DVD's version is required, but the studio has the option of charging for it.

Heh that's the point! Would you pay for each copy you make of the movie you legally bought?
 
Bill only cares about streaming HD-DVD movies to the 360 (or other MCE extender). If HD-DVD studios will charge users to do that, then its going to put a kink in MS' plan. Other types of copies are much less prominent in his MS' strategy.

And as to his quote, i think all he really said there is that the best thing would be a single format, and that format should include MMC. I dont think he's saying "BR doesnt support MMC, so we're going with HD-DVD."
 
london-boy said:
Heh that's the point! Would you pay for each copy you make of the movie you legally bought?
This is the same for Blu-ray, though. But for HD-DVD they at least have to offer it. On the Blu-ray side, it can be turned off entirely, per my understanding of it. But completely agreed on the cost thing; once I buy that disc I should be allowed to play it in my home on whatever machine I want.

So, to sum up:
Mandatory Managed Copy is optional on Blu-ray and may have an extra fee.
Mandatory Managed Copy is mandatory on HD-DVD and may have an extra fee.
Extra fees for watching something you own is bullshit.
 
Sis said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Blu-ray's implementation is spec'd such that MMC support is optional, depending on whether the studio wants it there or not. HD-DVD's version is required, but the studio has the option of charging for it.

One of the M's in MMC is mandatory, meaning it isn't optional. Both HD-DVD and BR will have the option of charging the user to make the copy though (I think). It used to be that MC was optional on the BR side, but then they made it mandatory (hence the announcement).

I also agree with what expletive said about Bill -- I don't think he's necessarily saying thats why they went with HD-DVD, it seems like he was completely avoiding the supposedly proposed question and answering the question "what do you think a next gen format needs?"
 
Sis said:
This is the same for Blu-ray, though. But for HD-DVD they at least have to offer it. On the Blu-ray side, it can be turned off entirely, per my understanding of it. But completely agreed on the cost thing; once I buy that disc I should be allowed to play it in my home on whatever machine I want.

So, to sum up:
Mandatory Managed Copy is optional on Blu-ray and may have an extra fee.
Mandatory Managed Copy is mandatory on HD-DVD and may have an extra fee.
Extra fees for watching something you own is bullshit.

Agreed, DRM is evil. Well, most are...
 
Bobbler said:
One of the M's in MMC is mandatory, meaning it isn't optional. Both HD-DVD and BR will have the option of charging the user to make the copy though (I think). It used to be that MC was optional on the BR side, but then they made it mandatory (hence the announcement).

I also agree with what expletive said about Bill -- I don't think he's necessarily saying thats why they went with HD-DVD, it seems like he was completely avoiding the supposedly proposed question and answering the question "what do you think a next gen format needs?"
I do not think this is accurate. I think Blu-ray before had no ability at all for managed copy and they recently added it at HP's request. They did not make it mandatory. The naming is confusing to me as well but until I see verification otherwise, I'm lead to believe that Blu-ray's implementation is not the same as HD-DVD's, based purely on my browsing the forums over at AVS. It would not be the first time the the name of something is ironic.
 
Sis said:
I do not think this is accurate. I think Blu-ray before had no ability at all for managed copy and they recently added it at HP's request. They did not make it mandatory. The naming is confusing to me as well but until I see verification otherwise, I'm lead to believe that Blu-ray's implementation is not the same as HD-DVD's, based purely on my browsing the forums over at AVS. It would not be the first time the the name of something is ironic.

They did, (BR always had MC support) MC is part of the AACS spec -- so they had to support it. The "problem" was it wasn't mandatory and it was completely up to the movie studios of whether they wanted to even give the option. Now they have to give the user the option, but they can also charge for it (meaning they could charge almost as much as a new copy, or more if they wanted -- that is how it is on both sides).
 
Bobbler said:
They did, (BR always had MC support) MC is part of the AACS spec -- so they had to support it. The "problem" was it wasn't mandatory and it was completely up to the movie studios of whether they wanted to even give the option. Now they have to give the user the option, but they can also charge for it (meaning they could charge almost as much as a new copy, or more if they wanted -- that is how it is on both sides).
Ok--I thought there was a descrepancy between how Blu-ray and HD-DVD implemented MMC but it sounds like there isn't...
 
Sis said:
Ok--I thought there was a descrepancy between how Blu-ray and HD-DVD implemented MMC but it sounds like there isn't...


Which brings me back to the point, if Billy were just honest about the reasons he's "choosing" HDDVD over Bluray, he would look much more intelligent.
 
Sis said:
Ok--I thought there was a descrepancy between how Blu-ray and HD-DVD implemented MMC but it sounds like there isn't...
This post is what led me to this belief:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6882414&&#post6882414

If BD were able to push through a looser version of MMC for the final AACS spec, there could indeed be a difference between the two formats regarding MMC. BD, which only requires MMC support according to AACS guidelines, and HD DVD which requires not only AACS level of support, but additional support according to HD DVD specs.
As the poster notes, it could very well not be an issue...
 
Sis said:
This post is what led me to this belief:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6882414&&#post6882414


As the poster notes, it could very well not be an issue...

I see, it is quite possible that HD-DVD may have a stricter policy on it (like only allowing a certain price range for the copy charge), but I haven't heard anything like that. They both still allow you to make a copy on every disc and both allow the movie studios to decide if they want to charge or not. I would imagine it will be comparable between the two though, since movie studios have to compete and if they can get extra "safe" revenue they'll try (so it may be in their best interest to make having an MC seem like a nice feature and the price shouldn't eb prohibitive in that respect). Who knows? Shouldn't be too long until we find out the pricing and such.
 
"managed copy" is a "red herring", which Micosoft will exploit to the fullest to try and counter Blu-ray from becoming the next generation standard, as they along with all the Xbox 360 fans, just see as strengthing Sony's hand in the next generation console fight, and they are right about that.

I say, go Microsoft go, and work this to the fullest extent. In the end, it's not going to matter.

Microsoft is a hypocrite, because you can't manage copy the Windows OS from one machine in your home to another.
 
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You can't MMC any top-end software, I don't see Adobe letting me install Photoshop on 6 different PC's. What's software have to do with Media?

I think BR is probably still draggin it's feet on MMC, supporting it in name, but probably trying to find loopholes to weasel out, whereas HD-DVD has made it part of it's core specs and intends to support it fully.

I think it's maybe a little more complex than simply "it's in the specs." Bill usually makes very down to earth and reasonable comments, so if he says it's because of MMC I'm pretty sure there's more to the story than simply whether it's 'supported'
 
scooby_dooby said:
You can't MMC any top-end software, I don't see Adobe letting me install Photoshop on 6 different PC's. What's software have to do with Media?

I think BR is probably still draggin it's feet on MMC, supporting it in name, but probably trying to find loopholes to weasel out, whereas HD-DVD has made it part of it's core specs and intends to support it fully.

I think it's maybe a little more complex than simply "it's in the specs." Bill usually makes very down to earth and reasonable comments, so if he says it's because of MMC I'm pretty sure there's more to the story than simply whether it's 'supported'

If you provided facts, then we will believe you. So far that's an assumption.
 
I don't see it as a "Bluray doesn't support MMC and HD-DVD does" comment at all. I see it as a call for a single, uniform standard, and MMC is just one part of that standard.

See:

I think the best thing would be to have a common standard for the industry that would include great things like Managed Copy.

I think you guys are getting all hung up on an example, and are totally missing the real meat of the comment.
 
Powderkeg said:
I don't see it as a "Bluray doesn't support MMC and HD-DVD does" comment at all. I see it as a call for a single, uniform standard, and MMC is just one part of that standard.

See:

I think you guys are getting all hung up on an example, and are totally missing the real meat of the comment.

Exactly, I don't think he was necessarily answering the question like that (or at all, infact the question was: "It seems like you're very firmly behind HD-DVD. Do you want Blu-ray to fail?"). He was just spouting things he wanted in a next gen format, if there was just one format (and, oddly, both formats have what he listed in that answer).
 
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