Best 4K HDR TV's for One X, PS4 Pro

Discussion in 'Console Industry' started by Rangers, Apr 29, 2017.

  1. dobwal

    Legend Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,018
    Likes Received:
    1,024
    Samsung TVs have had YouTube HDR support since the end of last year and aren't Android based.

    YouTube HDR requires VP9.p2 and above.
     
    #601 dobwal, Sep 1, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2017
    BRiT likes this.
  2. RancidLunchmeat

    Veteran

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    3,044
    Likes Received:
    630
    Location:
    In your closet
    My understanding is that it won't come to TVs using the lower X1 SoC and that only X1 Extremes will get DV updates at some point, but I guess we can hold out hope?

    Hmm.. Can you explain that a bit? I thought VP9 was a codec and that p2 came with Nougat, thus enabling YouTube HDR?
     
  3. Aaron Elfassy

    Newcomer

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2016
    Messages:
    48
    Likes Received:
    52
    VP9.2 is required - 9 wont cut it. The 2017 LG oleds all support the codec too. The problem with the LGs is the image is completely washed out - looks like the black levels are raised and the colors are under saturated. I have compared to viewing HDR demo clips that i've downloaded to USB and the youtube feeds are terrible looking overall. I'm pretty sure the TV is decoding the image in a pass through mode - skipping most image processing - causing the washed out picture. This terrible image quality in HDR can be recreated by setting any HDMI input to PC. The only benefit to doing this is the low lag. Hopefully LG issues a firmware update for this one, but I'm not holding my breath. Early adoption sucks!
     
    Grall, BRiT and RancidLunchmeat like this.
  4. dobwal

    Legend Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,018
    Likes Received:
    1,024
    Profile 2 supports 10-12 bit color depth (required for HDR), while prior profiles are 8 bit based.

    If your TV's hardware doesn't support decoding VP9 profile 2 it doesn't matter how up to date the YouTube app is on your TV.
     
    #604 dobwal, Sep 1, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2017
    BRiT and RancidLunchmeat like this.
  5. DieH@rd

    Legend Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2006
    Messages:
    6,122
    Likes Received:
    2,050
    Because of these requirements, I hope that YT HDR will at least come to PS4 Pro.
     
  6. RancidLunchmeat

    Veteran

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    3,044
    Likes Received:
    630
    Location:
    In your closet
    Sony TV with the X1 or X1 Extreme should all be hardware capable of running VP9.2. So I am not sure why the YT app is not displaying HDR unless the android OS has not been updated to supply the codec. I guess I will find out more Wed when I get my X900. I have a shield and W10 HTPC so I can run some different configs and see whats up.

    With my luck, I will flash the x900 to an unsupported android version and brick it. lol
     
  7. DieH@rd

    Legend Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2006
    Messages:
    6,122
    Likes Received:
    2,050
    I'm waiting for my 49XE9005 to arrive, and I suppose I will be more than satisfied with HDR10 for quite a while... but having YT HDR is something that will be a big bonus [on TV, Pro or PC].

    Even SDR will look drastically better than what I'm currently getting from my 6 year old midrange Samsung.
     
    London-boy and RancidLunchmeat like this.
  8. Grall

    Grall Invisible Member
    Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2002
    Messages:
    10,801
    Likes Received:
    2,172
    Location:
    La-la land
    My set isn't 6 years old yet IIRC - I think I bought it around autumn 2012 - and it was sort of upper-midrange I think, Samsung's 6 series when it maxed out at 8, or something like that. It's a really good set... Super thin, good picture quality really, I can't fault it in any way other than the bloody awful menu system and the shitty remote with way too many buttons on it. I even like the frame interpolation it does, even though it gets a bit wonky around any static graphics in a moving scene (like subtitles). You only notice it if you look for it though.

    Having been inspired by this thread, I went to a big-box retailer and looked at TV sets today. Checked out LG, Sony, a little Philips and Samsung. Sony's high-end LCD looked fecking amazing, but the 55" unit costs about €2000 in local currency, give or take... *gulp*

    What's up with so many TVs coming in piss-ugly extruded aluminium frames these days? The joint-fitting on both LG and Samsung units left A LOT to be desired - clearly nowhere near the manufacturing standard or quality control of Apple's, despite being their high-end sets costing big $$$! Thankfully, the Sony unit had a matte-black one-piece frame with no visible seams.

    ME WANTS.

    I don't think I can wing it tho... :(
     
  9. RobertR1

    RobertR1 Pro
    Legend

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2005
    Messages:
    5,580
    Likes Received:
    614
    orangpelupa and BRiT like this.
  10. Arnold Beckenbauer

    Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2006
    Messages:
    1,415
    Likes Received:
    348
    Location:
    Germany
    https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-qled-tv-xbox-4k-gaming-experience/
     
  11. Grall

    Grall Invisible Member
    Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2002
    Messages:
    10,801
    Likes Received:
    2,172
    Location:
    La-la land
    Awesome combo. Game ads on the xbone dashboard, and then regular ads in your samsung TV's menus. :twisted:
     
  12. dobwal

    Legend Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,018
    Likes Received:
    1,024
    Wait it out. Holiday sales or the transition to 2018 models will create better pricing.
     
  13. orangpelupa

    orangpelupa Elite Bug Hunter
    Legend Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    7,158
    Likes Received:
    1,309
    Yeah, Sony is the weirdest one in TV design. Their high-end TVs constantly looks elegant, sleek, classy, minimal.

    Their picture quality is an ass for its price tho. At least here in Indonesia, comparable sets from Samsung or LG usually goes around 100-300 USD cheaper than Sony.

    But if to have the money, top of the line Sony HDR TV paired with their best sound bar will be my target.

    I got burned with entry level LG 4k HDR TV and I don't want that to happen again.
     
    London-boy and RancidLunchmeat like this.
  14. London-boy

    London-boy Shifty's daddy
    Legend Subscriber

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2002
    Messages:
    21,511
    Likes Received:
    5,156
    The "Sony premium" isn't really as bad as it used to be. Nowadays you will find all sorts of silly prices around.
     
    RancidLunchmeat likes this.
  15. Scott_Arm

    Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2004
    Messages:
    13,277
    Likes Received:
    3,726
    I think the Sony A1E costs almost 50% more than the LG B7/C7, which has equal image quality.
     
  16. London-boy

    London-boy Shifty's daddy
    Legend Subscriber

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2002
    Messages:
    21,511
    Likes Received:
    5,156
    Well I can see how the non-LG OLEDs will always be more expensive than the LG ones since Sony/Panasonic etc are actually getting their screens from LG in the first place, as they're the only ones making them. And OLED is still very much a premium product anyway.

    The Sony LCD line are pretty nicely priced for their image quality.
     
    RancidLunchmeat and Grall like this.
  17. Rangers

    Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2006
    Messages:
    12,322
    Likes Received:
    1,120
    As a low end buyer I can say there's no Sony set on my radar.

    Of course I'm schlumming it, and so I'm looking at "vizio" or "TCL" that many here turn their nose at.

    But at least the Samsung and LG low end sets occasionally creep into my peripheral vision (as I've mentioned, they usually just end up having inferior specs at a similar price to the ultra value brands, but on the flip side you get the big brand "quality" and mainstream support, in theory). Sony simply doesn't seem to have a low end that I've seen. I think to get an affordable Sony I'd have to look at their 49". And now way I'm doing that when my current set sits like 10 feet away and is 55". So that means 55 and above is the only thing I'll accept since going smaller would be disastrous.

    But I'm (was?) looking to spend 600 on a TV not 1500, so I'm not even in the conversation for a lot of you.

    But hey I'm not where the profit is. So I'm sure Sony is not even interested in me. Just like there's a million cheap Android phones but allegedly most of the smartphone profit goes to Apple...
     
    BRiT likes this.
  18. AzBat

    AzBat Agent of the Bat
    Legend Veteran

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2002
    Messages:
    5,951
    Likes Received:
    1,745
    Location:
    Alma, AR
    Keep fighting the good fight Rangers. I'm right there with you with my budget. Bought a 55" LG 1080p set in April 2015 for about $600 from Walmart. Next TV won't be until probably 2019. It would have to be a minimum of 65" & 4K/HDR capable. Your posts have been very helpful for me. So keep them coming.

    Tommy McClain
     
    Rangers and BRiT like this.
  19. brunogm

    Newcomer

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2013
    Messages:
    138
    Likes Received:
    22
    Sony BVM-300X true RGB OLED; reference tracking.


    Sent from my Moto G using Tapatalk
     
  20. London-boy

    London-boy Shifty's daddy
    Legend Subscriber

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2002
    Messages:
    21,511
    Likes Received:
    5,156
    Only £30,000. Bargain!

    Shame you can't actually play movies on it, as it doesn't support HDCP.
     
    #620 London-boy, Sep 6, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2017
    BRiT likes this.
Loading...

Share This Page

  • About Us

    Beyond3D has been around for over a decade and prides itself on being the best place on the web for in-depth, technically-driven discussion and analysis of 3D graphics hardware. If you love pixels and transistors, you've come to the right place!

    Beyond3D is proudly published by GPU Tools Ltd.
Loading...