sas_simon said:
nvidia is way behind at this point.
I am going to disagree 100% with that statement, nvidia is behind ati by a few months interms of release dates.
LMAO, the NV30 is more like 6 months behind.
Nvidia: Microsoft tiff tiny; new chip big
By Ian Fried
Staff Writer
May 1, 2002, 2:55 PM PT
"Also on Monday, Nvidia raised its financial outlook for the just-ended quarter, and Huang said he sees continued market share gains this year leading to more growth. Some of that will come from a new graphics chip slated to arrive in August.
The new chip will be manufactured on Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.'s latest 0.13-micron manufacturing process, Huang said. Huang did not reveal the name or specific features of the chip, but did say it was a fundamentally new architecture from the GeForce 4 Titanium introduced earlier this year."
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-896850.html
Pinning hopes on the holidays
“Nvidia originally said the NV30 would be widely available by now. Analysts now expect that at best a few thousand high-end video cards using the chip will be available before Christmas.â€
http://news.com.com/2117-1040-963195.html?tag= ltnc
Nuff said.
However, the geforcefx does appear to have little to no problem beating the 9700 in benchmark tests today (these benchmarks have been released by nvidia and mean next to nothing). From what I have heard, nvidia will be sending out working samples to the hardware sites in the middle of december, I am not sure how true that is. Too gain a true perspective by how far the geforcefx does beat the 9700, we only need to wait a few more weeks.
Is the GeforceFX shipping? Where is it? Ans.. It isn't supposed to be shipping until February. I will say it again..
Nvidia is way behind ATi at this point. It is literally comparable to the amount that ATi was behind when they released the Radeon 8500 vs the Geforce 3 technologically speaking of course.
But it is amazing that ati are finding all of this excess performance and speed from the .15u architecture but how high will they be able to take that before manufacturing starts to become a problem?
It is impressive.. consider that ATi always has made more energy efficient chip designs (re: mobile parts) where nvidia has always made in the past hotter more power hungry cards. The reason I believe nvidia was forced to go with the .13um process is that they have difficulty with heat and power consumption. (Particularly where the Geforce 4 Ti series is concerned.) Basically they could not manage the NV30 at the .15um process as it seems their chip designs are short lived for each process. It seems nvidias designs have increasingly relied heavily on a newer smaller process so that they can manage their heat issues. For example the Geforce 3 core was the only real core made by nvidia for the .15um process, the Geforce 4 series was simply the same core with an extra vertex shader and memory controller enhancements resulting in an additional 6 mill transistors more on the Geforce 4 then the Geforce 3. While it seems ATi gets more life out of a process. eg: R200(60 million transistors) + R300 core (112 million transistors.) both @ the .15um process. The R300 core is nearly twice the number of transistors! This is mostly speculation on my behalf, but it certainly seems to be the case.
