Because it would be more than absurd for an as advanced GPU (in a relative sense for the small form factor space) like T604 to not support OGL_ES3.0. On one hand it supports advances stuff like atomic operations and FP64 and not ES3.0?
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Because it would be more than absurd for an as advanced GPU (in a relative sense for the small form factor space) like T604 to not support OGL_ES3.0. On one hand it supports advances stuff like atomic operations and FP64 and not ES3.0?
jedibeeftrix
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i agree, it would be absurd, but colour me confused as to why ARM do not list support on the product page, whilst making a specific point of stating that the T628 does support 3.0 at the top of the same page.
even if its just a driver restriction designed to herd customers towards higher-margin SKU's it still does the consumer no good when he is looking at a device sporting the T604.......
This Engadget article and video make it sound as though it does support OpenGL ES 3.0. Plus, the API and Exynos 5 Dual were officially showed off around the same time at SIGGRAPH.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/07/arm-mali-t604-hands-on/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/07/arm-mali-t604-hands-on/
ltcommander.data
Regular
The original OpenGL ES 3.0 announcement mentioned it'll take up to 6 months to release conformance tests. ARM may just be conservative in not claiming OpenGL ES 3.0 compliance until they have the certification to back it up. Does Khronos have any rules against claiming compliance without being subjected to testing?
arjan de lumens
Veteran
For OpenCL, the "embedded profile" is provided in the main OpenCL specification text (chapter 10 in the case of the OpenCL 1.1 spec), rather than as a separate spec document.
While there doesn't seem to exist any SGX cores supporting OpenCL 1.1, either full or embedded, there exists at least two Vivante cores that have passed the conformance tests for OpenCL 1.1 embedded profile.
Did you look in section 10 of the OpenCL 1.1 spec?
I didn't read the spec at all
one assumes that as its a subset of the full profile, then any cores that have passed the embedded profile should appear in the opencl 1.1 list. Many SGX cores are quoted as supporting 1.1 embedded and Sgx545 core is quoted as supported 1.1 full profile, but I don't see them in the list. My interest was therefore raised when Rys mentioned that compliance shouldn't be referred to unless the appropriate core has been submitted and passed the test (albeit he does mention a possible caveat for promoters, which IMG of course are)
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You lazy "distributed version control system".I didn't read the spec at all
Sorry, should have said it was an example of and/or listed the other revs.
codedivine
Regular
ARM Mali T604 and T658 show up in OpenGL ES 2.0 conformant products list. Tested at 2560x1600 on Android 4.0 and Linux.
http://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-products#opengles
http://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-products#opengles
jedibeeftrix
Newcomer
well, two months later, and now with a T604 product launched and the arm page still only lists the GPU as OpenGL ES 2.0 compliant.
getting pessimistic about ever seeing support, the driver conformance test idea would seem more likely were it not for the fact that their existing products (with actual drivers) don't list support, whereas they are happy to shout out about ES 3.0 for successor (as yet) vaporware products.
Here are the product pages for those that are interested:
Mali-T720: http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-mid-range-graphics/mali-t720.php
Mali-T760: http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-high-end-graphics/mali-t760.php
EDIT: Here is the TechReport's article on these new GPUs:http://techreport.com/news/25576/arm-announces-faster-more-power-efficient-mali-t7x0-gpus
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The T760 seems to be an up-to 16-core version of the T678 plus some techs that decrease memory bandwidth needs.
I don't really get what the T720 is, but it seems to be the successor to Mali 450MP8, so I'd expect similar performance with OpenGL ES 3.0 compliance and lower power consumption.
Both seem to target 700MHz using TSMC 28HPM.
Lanch partners seem to be Mediatek, Rockchip and.. LG Electronics?
Among some of the new features of the Mali-760:
Seems like that could stand for some more explanation.
Nice to read about the frame buffer compression. The elimination of work on non-updated pixel blocks for output and within the pipeline is also mentioned as a couple of new technologies, but that raises a few questions. I'll have to see if more info has been provided.
http://community.arm.com/groups/arm-mali-graphics/blog
Seems like that could stand for some more explanation.
Nice to read about the frame buffer compression. The elimination of work on non-updated pixel blocks for output and within the pipeline is also mentioned as a couple of new technologies, but that raises a few questions. I'll have to see if more info has been provided.
I wonder how many clusters the 760 will have considering how low end 4*A53@1.5GHz really are.