Are some games companies getting more credit than they deserve?
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Shogmaster
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Cobra101 said:Considering this is a rather high tech geared forum, there sure is alot of Rev. talk.
That's because 'Cube owners have plenty of time to post on the forums while the other console onwers are busy playing games most of the time. *runs while ducking*
hmm... i'm not familiar with ghosts of babel, but you did miss a few releases. "metal gear solid" was released for the GBC. "metal gear" appeared on the C64, but i never played it so i don't know if it was original, or a port from the MSX (i suspect as much) or nes version. and not too long ago "metal gear" and "solid snake" (MG2) have appeared on cell phones.Refreshment said:
i'll say again, a great example of an unmilked long running franchise is metroid. until recently, that is.
Powderkeg said:
Its amazing what you can make youself believe man.
12 games released on 7 different platforms over the course of 20 years (TP hasn't been released yet) and that's milking is it.. Yeah of course, its much worse then GTA which has so far seen 4 games released over the last 4 years (7 if you want to include ports to XBox as you have with stuff like Collectors Edition..).
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Johnny Awesome
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Yes. Nintendo is highly overated.
Sony 1st party >> Nintendo 1st party IMO.
Sony 1st party >> Nintendo 1st party IMO.
see colon said:
Are you referring to the recent Metroid Pinball? That's crossing the line into milkage, IMO. Except for Pinball (actually looks cool IMO...but still...pinball?), since resurrecting the franchise with Prime, they seem to be shooting for about a 2 games per console rate (2 on GBA, 2 on Cube...prolly 2 on Rev and DS as well). This seems to be about the right pace for me. Any more, and you start to get complaints of beating it to death (look at Sony and Ratchet/Jak/Sly).
.Melchiah.
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Johnny Awesome said:
I honestly couldn't agree more.
Squeak said:
Its very easy to look at everything around you, games and movies that came out after a Zelda game and claim that it took from the game in some shape or form no matter how vague.
I sure didn't think Halo was that awesome. It was pretty cool, but I've been almost completely FPS'd out since playing Serious Sam co-op for hours on end back in college.
And why do people act like SK are gaming gods? Sure, Eternal Darkness was decent, but the graphics were fugly, it was too easy, and the dialogue was from a B movie. Oh, and they've been showing Too Human trailers for like...10 years or something. I kinda hope Too Human goes down in flames just so I can quit hearing Dennis Dyack proclaiming that [his] games are "going to become the dominant form of art in the 21st century." Sheesh.
And why do people act like SK are gaming gods? Sure, Eternal Darkness was decent, but the graphics were fugly, it was too easy, and the dialogue was from a B movie. Oh, and they've been showing Too Human trailers for like...10 years or something. I kinda hope Too Human goes down in flames just so I can quit hearing Dennis Dyack proclaiming that [his] games are "going to become the dominant form of art in the 21st century." Sheesh.
Powderkeg said:
12 titles is hardly a lot. And Collector's Edition? Was that added just for show?
Here's a real example of milking: Megaman.
Just to list a couple:
Megaman 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Megaman and Bass
Megaman Soccer
Megaman X,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Megaman Extreme 1,2,3?
Megaman Zero 1,2,3,4.. and on..
There's around 20+ listed above and the list still goes on, probably double what I have mentioned. I didn't even have to list any Collector's Edition.
I don't get why people had to go through the Metal Gear Series to prove that Zelda isn't milking. There's many more drastic examples out there...
mckmas8808
Legend
Squeak said:
Zelda can out before their was a Playstation to play on. Come on man you know Zelda didn't create SOTC.
I didn't say Zelda created either SotC or ICO, only that they were very inspired by the series esp. OOT.mckmas8808 said:
I'm not saying that the two games didn't contribute some of their own, of course they did.
It's just like Zelda was very inspired by movies, books and manga like Legend, Tolkiens books and Nausicaa.
Did I say anything like that?
There was Adventure on the 2600 before Zelda, there was Rogue and there were various text adventures. With regards to 3d there was 3d isometric and simple polygon games before Zelda; that's not what I'm talking about.
It's the atmosphere, the structure the whole set of semiotics and the aesthetics, that owes more than a passing resemblance to the Zelda games.
There was Adventure on the 2600 before Zelda, there was Rogue and there were various text adventures. With regards to 3d there was 3d isometric and simple polygon games before Zelda; that's not what I'm talking about.
It's the atmosphere, the structure the whole set of semiotics and the aesthetics, that owes more than a passing resemblance to the Zelda games.
Johnny_Physics
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ztride said:
Well he forgot to mention:
Legend of Zelda BS
Link's Awakening DX
A Link to the Past GBA
Legend of Zelda GBA
Links Adventure GBA
BS A Link to the Past
and you could even add the three CDi-games to that list, and two Game & Watch games if you're extra picky.
And soon we will have even more of them.
That's a lot of Zelda games.
Zelda is one of my favorite series but come on, they're need to be a lot more creative with the series to not be accused of milking the series! I mean, Wind Waker was just Ocarina of Time with a boat and the changes between those two games weren't any bigger than the changes between GTA3 and San Andreas!
I really don't see (other than in a fairly loose sense) what the number of titles in a series has to do with whether it's been milked or not.
Most of the series mentioned so far have pushed boundaries regularly and on many of the the occasions that's not been the case they have still been polished and worthwhile efforts that fans of those series can enjoy while the developers get the payback from the groundbreaking work on previous titles.
To draw an analogy with TV I sure as heck wish Futurama had been 'milked' a bit longer a bit longer if that's your definition, so what if it would have been the same characters and looked roughly the same, new stories and new laughs would have done me.
REAL milking is when publishers try to palm off shoddy merchandise on the back of a good name (Cough, Tomb Raider, Cough)
Most of the series mentioned so far have pushed boundaries regularly and on many of the the occasions that's not been the case they have still been polished and worthwhile efforts that fans of those series can enjoy while the developers get the payback from the groundbreaking work on previous titles.
To draw an analogy with TV I sure as heck wish Futurama had been 'milked' a bit longer a bit longer if that's your definition, so what if it would have been the same characters and looked roughly the same, new stories and new laughs would have done me.
REAL milking is when publishers try to palm off shoddy merchandise on the back of a good name (Cough, Tomb Raider, Cough)