Anyone have an update on PowerVR and Kyro III or IV?

[Brimstone]

We have a number of licencees for various products. They pay a license fee , plus any customization fees, and then royalities. Most of the divisions pretty much stand on their own as far as I am aware.

Check out the investment info etc.

http://www.imgtec.com/News/PressReleases/Prelims03.htm

CC

From the investment info.

PC/Console - We are currently developing our next generation advanced graphics technologies, which are a key vehicle for taking our fundamental 3D technology forward and is also a platform that allows us to target PC, console and arcade market opportunities.

If a console market becomes a reality, I'd love to see a documentary showcasing the development of a console from start to finish. I've seen plenty of shows on how the making of skyscrapers, submarines, and spaceships. Never one on the creation of a video game system. Have someone video tape everything and encourage engineers to keep detailed diaries. Also try to get all of the other hardware groups you would end up working with do the same and record project milestones to video and all the hijinx that happens inbetween. The first time alpha hardware is tested. The first time an alpha version of a game is booted up on beta hardware. The solving of crazy hardware bugs and intense arguments between engineers of whats causing the problem(s).

Try to get some high profile developers like John Carmack and Tim Sweeny to give their thoughts the first time they hear about the hardware details. Ask them to give their opinions on the pros and cons of the system.

Of course this is assuming a contract gets signed.

 

[Ailuros]

You know what I fear most? That they might have 'missed' the window.

What I mean by that is that unless they release in the next *4* months, they missed it.
The NV40 and R420 are not "small" performance upgrades, oh no!

Although IIRC, Series 5 is mid-end. And mid-end will only get revamped in like 9 months. But if PowerVR doesn't want to remain in the dark for their new product they better act quick - and well.

Because at soon as we hit NV50, unless they got a bigger budget thanks to other products working really well, they lost the desktop game IMO. I just don't see how they could follow the "big ones" anymore... Although I could be wrong, obviously, and I certainly hope so considering competition is healthy!


Uttar

I'll bet you anything you want that you'll be eating more than just a couple of shoes over that post above after the announcement.

Mid end my ass and that's all I'm going to say for now heh.

***edit: to make it a bit more juicy, try and figure all the possibilities of competitive hardware features of the possible release timeframe; start scratching at the competition first and not at Series5

 

[jvd]

Well in that case i have to say that it will have pixel shaders 3.0 but vertex shaders 2.0 . Its speed will be more than the 420 and the nv40 but less than the refresh of the 420 and the nv40. It will be announced in nov , come out january .

 

[Kristof]

Well in that case i have to say that it will have pixel shaders 3.0 but vertex shaders 2.0 . Its speed will be more than the 420 and the nv40 but less than the refresh of the 420 and the nv40. It will be announced in nov , come out january .

Eh ? Why vertex shaders 2.0 ? Seems to conflict with :

http://www.shaderx2.com/Tables of Content.htm
"Introduction to the vs_3_0 and ps_3_0 Shader Modelsâ€￾
“Cloth Animation with Pixel and Vertex Shader 3.0â€￾

K-

 

[Joe DeFuria]

I'll bet you anything you want that you'll be eating more than just a couple of shoes over that post above after the announcement.

Heh...no one will be eating anything after any announcements. Perhaps after it's on the shelves.

Mid end my ass and that's all I'm going to say for now heh.

I pray that you are right.

 

[JohnH]

Well no, we've just spent the last two years trying to work out if we can patent elastic bands with a stretchy smiley face on them!

 

[RussSchultz]

Well no, we've just spent the last two years trying to work out if we can patent elastic bands with a stretchy smiley face on them!

Can you?

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Well no, we've just spent the last two years trying to work out if we can patent elastic bands with a stretchy smiley face on them!

Of course not.

But the same thing can be said of the Series4, may it R.I.P. The best laid plans don't always lead to fruition.

 

[nggalai]

All I can say is that I hope a new PVR board will see the light of day in the not too distant future. It's been two years since I retired my Kyro-II, and I miss that board.

93,
-Sascha.rb

 

[RussSchultz]

I'd just like to see some more varied flame wars. ATI vs. NVIDIA is getting pretty boring.

 

[Entropy]

Well, for the sake of the people who designed the Series 5, I hope it comes to market so that they can see the fruit of their labour in the flesh, competing in the market race, where they can celebrate every scalp it takes and gnash their teeth at every unfair review they read.

The fate of the Series 4 must have left a bitter taste. Geeks have pride too.

Entropy

 

[jvd]

Well in that case i have to say that it will have pixel shaders 3.0 but vertex shaders 2.0 . Its speed will be more than the 420 and the nv40 but less than the refresh of the 420 and the nv40. It will be announced in nov , come out january .

Eh ? Why vertex shaders 2.0 ? Seems to conflict with :

http://www.shaderx2.com/Tables of Content.htm
"Introduction to the vs_3_0 and ps_3_0 Shader Modelsâ€￾
“Cloth Animation with Pixel and Vertex Shader 3.0â€￾

K-

hehe then i'd like to say ps 3.0+ and vs 3.0 .... hehe thanks for that little bit of info there .

 

[Arun]

Ailuros: While I don't particularly like the taste of shoes ( and even if I told you I'd eat one, I wouldn't really do so, obviously, lol ) - rest assured I hope I was very wrong on what I said there.

But what I *do* know is that ILDPs are non-traditional. That means you got to put more R&D to make a good ILDP. And I also know we're going to move to a full ILDP much sooner than you all expect ( no, it's not NV40/R420 - and considering I just said that, I guess I just gave it away, eh ) -

In other news, it seems ATI Corporation just stole nVidia's original NV30 design goals for the R420.
As amusing as it sounds, the R420 will look more like what the NV30 was "meant" to be than any other part will ever look, I believe.
Don't believe me? Well, if you don't even know what the original NV30 design was, obviously, it doesn't help

So, well, it sounds like it's the new ATI&nVidia alliance VS PowerVR now. Woah, Kristof, you guys must have AMAZING tech if they went that far
Joking obviously, they didn't do any alliance, but the similarities between the R420 and the original NV30 are, well, nothing short of stunning!
That is, if my info is correct of course, hehe


Uttar

 

[Malo]

Uttar what about the NV40? Are they hoping to realise the initial goals of the NV30 with the NV40 now? Or are we going to see something different....

Look into the future:

NV40 released, doesn't meet expectations, NV45 refresh fulfills speed requirements though not original product, NV50 announced, R550 rumors spread that it similar to original NV40 goals...

 

[Ailuros]

Heh...no one will be eating anything after any announcements. Perhaps after it's on the shelves.

I said shoes not crows remember and it wasn't even addressed to you. My username starts with an "A" by the way

Well no, we've just spent the last two years trying to work out if we can patent elastic bands with a stretchy smiley face on them!

Uhhhm did you guys get a year of vacation during 2001 or did I miss something here?

Uttar,

I'm not aware of any alliances, nor any according metaphores. Speaking of metaphores you can have the dog eat the shoes it's the same to me, just let me know if they have to be italian or not

 

[JohnH]

..

Well no, we've just spent the last two years trying to work out if we can patent elastic bands with a stretchy smiley face on them!

Uhhhm did you guys get a year of vacation during 2001 or did I miss something here?

..

Noo. I think two years tallies up with various other things give or take 6 months (more take than give).

 

[DegustatoR]

Uttar what about the NV40? Are they hoping to realise the initial goals of the NV30 with the NV40 now? Or are we going to see something different....

NV40 has almost nothing to do with NV30. NV40 was in development long before there was a first working silicon of NV30.

 

[Teasy]

If it's the speakers and multimedia section that keeps the chip development side of the company afloat, how long til the axe falls?

The PowerVR division of IMGTEC doesn't only design PC cores from a specific series though. They use each series of tech for many different markets. Recently PowerVR MBX licences were sold to numerous companies, including Intel. So there's no reason to drop the axe on a very productive division of the company.

 

[Ailuros]

According to the AGM on July30th, IMG has currently 1 chip in production and 9 under development.

 

[Scott C]

Don't believe me? Well, if you don't even know what the original NV30 design was, obviously, it doesn't help

The phrase I heard to describe NV30 some time ago from a source was:

"Renderman on a chip."




.... still waiting for scenegraphs ...