Americans are pathetic!!

DemoCoder said:
If I pull in the average drug invested clubber punk from Leichester square and ask him who the leader of, say, South Korea is, he'd had no friggin clue.

I assume you mean Leicester Square. If you do manage to find anyone clubbing in that area, you'll discover that they're more than likely:

a) A foreigner, who hasn't been in London long enough to know it's a tourist trap.
b) Only on the (expensive) beers, as you're not likely to score any drugs in the area unless you put some hard yards in.

So yes, if you asked a drugged up clubber in Leicester Square who the leader of, say, South Korea is, he probably wouldn't have a clue. That's because more than likely it's a 17yo American spending Dadddy's money on a weekend visit. ;)
 
Well, I suppose all though young girls speaking with British accent at the front of the club or in the Burger King next door were Americans huh. Funny, I didn't meet any Americans there. I did meet some British born Indians and Chinese.

(yes, yes, the square is sanitized and not equivalent to an underground rave, places which I do not frequent, who cares. )

Edit: with the current US dollar, (I exchanged $100 for 53 pounds) it is unlikely that American tourists will be whooping it up in London. More likely, they will be whooping it up in Prague or Bangkok for that matter.
 
Deepak said:
Althornin said:
Deepak -
DO you know who (insert random american football star's name) is?
No?

I dont know anything about strictly American sports (which are played only in US)....

Football isn't played only in the US. There's the CFL (Canadian Football League) and NFL Europe. I'd think you'd have a hard time finding a professional sport that's only played in the US.

I think part of the reason why many Americans don't visit other countries is because we're geographically isolated. Other than Canada and Mexico, the only practical way to get to other countries is to fly which is quite expensive and can be very time consuming. Even driving can take quite a bit of time. It'd take me about 9-10 hours to drive to Toronto and at least 21+ hours to even get to the Mexican border.
 
hell its going to take me 18 hours to get to florida and its on the same cost as me :( so yea anything other than italy and some of britan (my little sisters college roomate is from there ) is like why bother. Unless something big is going on. I learned alot about the middle east cause right now its important . But like why would i need to know where towns are in aulstrala if i'm not going to be traveling there. If i was i'd read up on it .
 
it seems both of them were were trolling in LA and no-one mobbed them

I would recognize both and wouldn't mob them. Perhaps the very basis of your hypothesis is flawed from the very start.

I've sat in a restaurant in LA and seen many big celebrities, athletes and the like.. myself and my collegues never bothered to even engage with anything more than "Hmm, that's so-and-so over there isn't it?" "Why yes, I believe it is. She looks good for her age." and the conversation ended.

Maybe the whole problem is they are used to mindless, droving fanatics and don't quite understand that in LA, celebrities and athletes and famous people are encountered at most every shopping mall, restaurant, street corners and the like. I think the most hub-bub I've ever seen over one was some guy approached Bruce Willis and told him that he enjoyed his movies and thought he was a great action figure for Hollywood... they nodded, Bruce thanked him and walked off. I remember telling William Shatner that he looked taller on the big screen (I'm 6'5" and TOWERED over him), he giggled and we parted once also.

The only time you hear of nasty mob-like occurences in southern california- it's often instigated by some Euro photojournalist or interviewer pestering celebrities. Maybe it's just a simple assumption of culture and region involved is void of such nonsense... at least to the degree they are used to elsewhere.
 
RussSchultz said:
I see. I haven't heard of anybody ritually cleansing themselves if the shadow of black or hispanic person touched them.

While there are social strata in the US, it is not rigidly enforced by popular belief and religious belief. It is more of a continuom than strata, and there are no culturally enforced barriers (excepting the obvious economical ones) to improving oneself on that ladder.

I was lower middle class, now I'm upper middle class. I've got friends who were definate blue collar families, now they're white collar.

Possible for an Indian? Yes. In India? No.

I'm sure its changing, however. But it will be a long while before the social strata breaks down.

Actually, the cast system has been in place since thousands of years....and over these years it had embedded in our psyche! But situation has improved a lot from say 20-30 years ago...you wont see any of these things in cities, it is still somewhat prevalent in villages though....but as we progress ahead, it will slowly disapper!!
 
OK! so the conclusion is that US itself is so huge....the only hyperpower in the world....and it is slightly disconnected (geographically) from world that people there do not know so well about rest of world....
 
Can't we rename the thread to:
'American's love toilet paper'?

We use it to whipe our ass while you use your hands.

:LOL:
 
As an American I do take offense to the specifics of the title, but as a 47yr old American I agree w/the premise it's based on.

Most Americans I have had conversations with are very ignorant of not only 'foriegn' affairs, but also of our own affairs. Our teachers are underpaid & overworked while our other gov. employees (CalTrans > Sharkfood, Micron & Democoder) & union workers here get enourmous sums of $$$ for work a monkey could do. I personally know/have worked w/literally 1000's of them & the majority (90%, IMHO) are beer guzzling buffoons w/o a thought/concern for anyone but themselves.

At present this State (California) is in the midst of a budget crisis (as are many other States & the Fed) & the 1st thing the State cut was education funding. Colleges have fewer scholarships & all schools have less funding. Some school districts have literally gone bankrupt!

I have a 13yr old daughter & a 10yr old son & I'm very concerned about their future in a country that puts police budgets & prison building (even roads, for christ sake) above education! Our children are our future, not some GD 8-lane highway to Yosemite!

I love this country & will give my life in its defense, but by the same token I'll fight the powers that are here to make it a better country for all.

This country used to at least try to lead by example. The 'examples' we've set in the last ~15yrs are disgusting, IMHO.

As far as knowing foriegn celebs > bah. As far as having some comprehension of other countries (& the fact that Washington DC is NOT in Washington State), I see no excuse for not having it from the citizens of the richest country in the World!

Rant over ... [segue into "Motorhead": "Brave New World"]

:rolleyes:
 
micron said:
I think your a little jealous of the good ol' USA ;)

I am not! I would like to see closed relationship between India and US...there is every reason why we both must cooperate! US is looking for markets....we are looking for investment!

Our ties are now 100 times better than were during cold war....example, US recently *approved* Israel's sale of Phalcon AEW system to India. US has requested India to be a part of its plan of BMD...we are having regular military exchanges/exercises...

I think India is the only country who has good relations with US/Iraq/Iran/Russia/EU/Japan/Eastern Asia/Israel/Middle East etc...except China/Pakistan :D ...
 
At present this State (California) is in the midst of a budget crisis (as are many other States & the Fed) & the 1st thing the State cut was education funding. Colleges have fewer scholarships & all schools have less funding. Some school districts have literally gone bankrupt!

You ensure this future by your choice at the ballot. I've never ONCE gotten an official I've voted for into office here in California. Just the most extremist/liberal, left-wing social nazis have ever made it. So I gave up on caring since I can't win with a society that is too dense to see the same people they put in office make the same bad decisions.

You also do know that spending for illegal aliens has increased like 5x as well, right? A pregnant woman in Mexico can sneak over the border, identify herself as an illegal alien and obtain FREE birth and prenatal care.. then take her healthy baby back to Mexico and spread the word. If a Californian walks in to the same clinic and happens to have a social security number of ID/driver's license, she'll have to pay for the same services. If you've spent any time south of the border, you'll know what a joke it is as the locals there know if they need any form of healthcare or money opportunities, they are given better rights, more services and more $$ than a California citizen. They spend MILLIONS every year on crap like this.

Not to derail this thread- but if you want to complain about how things are, you don't have a right to unless you fall into this alleged "monkey" line of work (funny, I don't know many monkeys that had to spend >$40,000 on University education to find work that uses skills in requirement of such degrees) and have your pocket book raped to pay for this level of disgusting social services.. as long as the services don't help the actual people living here.

I hate the way education is handled in this state as much as anyone else- I see complete and utter rejects coming out of the public schools- they can't spell, read or write and have zippo for mathematics or core science skills. Maybe you should think twice before putting more people that favor more gun control, adding more corporate taxes/levvies, and providing 5-star hotel resort quality healthcare to non-citizens into office.
 
back to the topic at hand, I think its ridiculous to expect people living in this country to know much about the nuances of other countries. To be honest with you, I think schools spend too much time with European history and not enough with the rest of the world.

later,
 
Sharkfood said:
At present this State (California) is in the midst of a budget crisis (as are many other States & the Fed) & the 1st thing the State cut was education funding. Colleges have fewer scholarships & all schools have less funding. Some school districts have literally gone bankrupt!

You ensure this future by your choice at the ballot. Why would I want to ensure *this* future? I want to change what is happening for a brighter future & I know of legal ways besides a ballot. I've never ONCE gotten an official I've voted for into office here in California. Just the most extremist/liberal, left-wing social nazis have ever made it. So I gave up on caring since I can't win with a society that is too dense to see the same people they put in office make the same bad decisions. Didn't get your way so you're gonna quit trying huh? Sad.

You also do know that spending for illegal aliens has increased like 5x as well, right? Prove it & don't use the INS #'s on $$$ spent to keep them out. A pregnant woman in Mexico can sneak over the border, identify herself as an illegal alien and obtain FREE birth and prenatal care.. then take her healthy baby back to Mexico and spread the word.

If a Californian walks in to the same clinic and happens to have a social security number of ID/driver's license, she'll have to pay for the same services. Where in the world do you get this BS? C'mon down to my neck of the woods (Central Valley) & I'll show you dozens of "Free Clinics" for ANYONE > all a person has to do is qualify under the income limits. If you've spent any time south of the border, you'll know what a joke it is as the locals there know if they need any form of healthcare or money opportunities, they are given better rights, more services and more $$ than a California citizen. They spend MILLIONS every year on crap like this. How many MILLIONS?

Not to derail this thread- but if you want to complain about how things are, you don't have a right to STOP > you are in no position to tell me my rights! unless you fall into this alleged "monkey" line of work (funny, I don't know many monkeys that had to spend >$40,000 on University education to find work that uses skills in requirement of such degrees) Skills like holding a "SLOW" sign on a road for $12.50+ an hour? All you need to be in a Union is a sponsor. If a family member is in > you get in too. A Civil Engineering Degree is a lot more than $40K & that isn't the ppl I'm talking about anyway. and have your pocket book raped to pay for this level of disgusting social services.. as long as the services don't help the actual people living here.

I hate the way education is handled in this state as much as anyone else- I see complete and utter rejects coming out of the public schools- they can't spell, read or write and have zippo for mathematics or core science skills. Maybe you should think twice I'll have to think at least twice > once for me & mine & once for you: because you don't care anymore. before putting more people that favor more gun control, adding more corporate taxes/levvies, and providing 5-star hotel resort quality healthcare to non-citizens into office.
 
Why would I want to ensure *this* future? I want to change what is happening for a brighter future & I know of legal ways besides a ballot.

Nobody wants to ensure this future... and no, there are no "legal ways" besides the ballot. Those in control can overturn or deny any private enterprise or citizen their methods of making change. It's been proven throughout the entire history of California.. from those that believed in legalized marijuana.. to those that supported (and voted into law) Proposition 187.

Didn't get your way so you're gonna quit trying huh? Sad.

Welcome to living in a democracy. I still vote every time, but when surrounded by people too stupid to see the light, it's a lose-lose battle.

Prove it & don't use the INS #'s on $$$ spent to keep them out

Spending about 5 minutes research will verify my numbers. Hit any of the main California budget websites. Check the Green party (which has made graphs of illegal alien spending figures). Check the FreePublic line of sites.. Check the AllPolitics or even CNN. If you can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes researching easily obtainable facts then your opinion is of little concern to me.

Where in the world do you get this BS? C'mon down to my neck of the woods (Central Valley) & I'll show you dozens of "Free Clinics" for ANYONE > all a person has to do is qualify under the income limits.

Central Valley indeed has free clinics. The trailer trash portion of the state reproduces like rabbits and therefore needs such things. Free clinics aren't as predominant in the major cities- such as SF/LA and SD. There are some, but not nearly to the degree you see out past Tracy, towards Roseville or into Sacramento.

I'm not talking about free clinics either. I'm talking about walk-in hospitals and health-care providers in San Diego mostly. Illegal aliens basically get a "have birth for free" card here, whereas all others must provide insurance. You can thank Gray Davis for this... even though the will of the people spoke loudly (>60% majority) with Proposition 187 to curb this.

STOP > you are in no position to tell me my rights!

Basic logic and objectivity would dictate that those that have no knowledge or experience in a subject have no right reporting findings in that subject. Simple logic.

Skills like holding a "SLOW" sign on a road for $12.50+ an hour? All you need to be in a Union is a sponsor. If a family member is in > you get in too.

I agree here. That is a good example of poor allocation of spending.

I'll have to think at least twice > once for me & mine & once for you: because you don't care anymore.

Just try thinking once for yourself, if that isn't too much to ask for. As you are obviously not familiar with AB-540, CAPI, Proposition 187 or the numerous other events in recent history, I'd suggest getting some reading time involved. It's all ugly and it's a repeating pattern.
 
California is in a budget crisis because of spending increases. The lost revenues from the recession do not explain the budget crisis the government is facing. Davis raised spending by over $20 billion in 2 years, he spent the $7 billion budget surplus, plus an additional $15 billion. Had Davis not going on a spending binge during his 2 years in office, spending away the boom based tax receipts, we wouldn't be in this trouble.

Even if California cut education by 10% (which it will not do, this is a bullshit reference, what it really did was take over management of Oakland's school system which is a basketcase city run by loopy Jerry Brown and it is rolling back last years increases), it still doesn't account for the fact that education spending was increased massively during the last few years.

And that's the problem with socialists. They are more than willing to spend the bank empty when the cash is rolling in, but in bad times, they are not willing to tigthen the belt, instead they simply call for higher taxes on an already recessed economy to maintain spending levels at historic highs.

Now they are proposing to "unfreeze" property taxes. Well guess which is the only growth industry in California at the moment? Real Estate. Many people can barely afford California real estate today, and property taxes (I pay over $1000 per month) + mortgages on these pricey houses are already at people's affordability limits. A higher property tax could be the pin that pops the housing bubble.

No matter where the socialists go, they can't squeeze anymore money without tanking the economy harder. Spending cuts are inevitable. The budget must be rolled back to pre-1995 levels coincident with what the average yearly budget increases would have been (about 7% per year), not 18% per year as Davis was averaging.

As for Oakland schools, it's time to shut down them and privatize them if they can't get their finances in order. The teacher's unions and high paid administrators are wasting valuable tax dollars.
 
Fred said:
Its almost a strength so to speak. What other country in the world has a luxury of being so self sufficient, so contained and so enjoyable that a decent percentage of the populace feels no need to learn or go elsewhere.

That's a huge misconception. The USA ist _not_ self sufficient. The USA has trade deficit of 450 billion USD. What does that mean? It means that the USA consumes more goods and services than it can produce. That's not self-sufficient by any means. Basically, the world pays the US money so the US can buy their goods. Another way to look at it, if you enjoy some good irony, would be that the world indirectly pays America's military budget. This completely idiotic concept might collapse sooner or later, if several factors come together.

For almost a decade now, the USA sustained itself by leeching a huge share of other countries' wealth (along with much intellectual talent but that's a different topic) . The USA is utterly reliant on its "productive" satellites in Europe and Asia. Those productive satellites finance American consumerism. If the money/goods stream of ~1.5b USD per day was cut off, the current economical/financial system of the USA would collaps immediately.

France, UK, Germany, Japan etc. on the other hand still have the productive base to sustain themselves. If the current US-centric economic system collapsed, those countries would lose a big chunk of their export market and that would hurt... badly. Yet, they would still produce enough goods to consume or trade to sustain themselves.

The USA simply does not have the industrial base to sustain itself anymore. It would take years for the USA to return to a positive or neutral trade balance. There was never at time in history in which the USA was more reliant on other countries. Up until the 70s the USA dominated global exports and now it dominates global imports. A true 180° turn.

What happened? The USA switched from a "normal" economy to something we could refer to as "imperial economy". Throughout history, there are only a view instances in which powerful countries had a economical set-up similar to the USA today. And all of these instances were empires. E.g. Ancient Athens which dominated Asia Minor, the Roman Empire, the Aztec Empire, the Spanish Empire, the British Empire (for a short time) and the 12 years of the Nazi-German "1000 year empire", in which Germany sustained herself by looting pretty much all of Europe.

All those empires, at one point, had their economies turn from self sufficiency to reliancy on their hegemonical territories. This was achieved by either conquest and direct exploitation or by military dominance and vassalage or by somehow motivating their satellites to pay tribute voluntarily, like Athens did when it was the protective power in Asia Minor. The USA probably compares best to Athens which really isn't too bad. While Athens relied on direct tribute the USA gains its "tribute" through the global financial system und like back when Athens ruled, the satellites give it voluntarily. But there are signs that the USA is slowly turning "Roman".

What's probably most significant about this realization is that empires that reached that state were all soon to fall. At one point, Athens satellites refused to pay tribute anymore even though they did it voluntarily for a long time. We do not know the reasons why this happened but we know the result: Athens's power declined. And there is a very realistic chance that the same thing will happen to the USA in the next, say, three decades.

That's why the USA is acting like it is in geopolitics. If the current system is to continue to exist, the USA has to make sure it's position as a super power persists. All depends on that. The USA has to convince the world that it is the gravitational center of the world even though the USA is just a geographically remote country, far away from the true geographical center of the world, Eurasia, where by far the biggest part of humankind and economical production exists. The USA have to constantly prove that they are still significant. That's why the USA overblow totally powerless and insignificant enemies like Iraq and then wage war against them. That's why the USA shows off it's unilaterist muscles at every opportunity. It's not about oil, it's about America's position at the head of the pack. The USA depends on being the gravitational center or the flow of foreign capital which sustains the USA might dwindle.

If that happened, the American system would collapse. Of course, the USA still has a huge industrial base, intellectual talent etc. but the standard of living, the federal budget etc. would fall significantly. The USA would be forced to give up its foreign military bases, stop to be a superpower and settle with a significantly lower standard of living. The USA would become a "normal" country, albeit a powerful one.
 
epicstruggle said:
Einsten was among one of many who came here and produced much while here. I think if you want to grow intellectually the best country to do it in is the US.

later,

LOL!

Einstein emigrated to the US in 1933 (but did not really settle there until 1938) for pretty obvious political reasons, as did many intellectuals (gee, thanks Adolf).

He did not "produce much" in the US, in fact, he had pretty much all of his important works published by that time or basically finished and published shortly after he emigrated. So it's a bit rich to say that he "grew intellectually" in the US, he was brilliant before. In fact he never really mastered the English language and until his death in 1955 he was never really able to adapt. He was just too damn fucking bourgeoisie German.

Funny, your own example proves you wrong.
 
L233 said:
Basically, the world pays the US money so the US can buy their goods. Another way to look at it, if you enjoy some good irony, would be that the world indirectly pays America's military budget. This completely idiotic concept might collapse sooner or later, if several factors come together.

Don't you have that backwards? A trade deficit means the US sends hard currency out for goods in return. I don't see how the world is subsidizing the US government. If anything, its the other way around.

edit: spelling
 
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