AMD: R9xx Speculation

[CarstenS]

It doesn't since ATi haven't had 40nm issues like Nvidia. It also gives Nvidia more time to get a decent 28nm design going, something they won't have done since their 40nm designs needed more sprucing. It gives gives them a lot of help where they would previously had to rush designs falling further behind ATi's more power efficient chips.

So, maybe Jen-Hsun invited Morris Chang to a little chat, handed over big bags of cash(tm) and gone was an on-time 28nm, no? *SCNR*

No he didn't I have the same slides and even then he can't even read them properly.
He'll probably write about the Dual BIOS switch later, but his articles would make a lot more sense if he just copied what was on the slide and not add his own interpretation to it.

Like the part with the slide, he talks about 20W + or - on the performance, he completely FAILS there.
The -20 to 20 slider is a %, you can adjust the power of your card in the overdrive tab by 20% up or down.
the 250W is the maximum board consumption, but the non-OC power consumption is 190/200W.
Cayman can actually clock almost as flexible as any modern CPU, so it can run at 650 MHz or 800 MHz during benchmarking if you enable Powertune

Interesting. Is that solid NDA-leak-info or are there badly faked slides on some chinese forum going loose again?

 

[Picao84]

No he didn't I have the same slides and even then he can't even read them properly.
He'll probably write about the Dual BIOS switch later, but his articles would make a lot more sense if he just copied what was on the slide and not add his own interpretation to it.

Like the part with the slide, he talks about 20W + or - on the performance, he completely FAILS there.
The -20 to 20 slider is a %, you can adjust the power of your card in the overdrive tab by 20% up or down.
the 250W is the maximum board consumption, but the non-OC power consumption is 190/200W.
Cayman can actually clock almost as flexible as any modern CPU, so it can run at 650 MHz or 800 MHz during benchmarking if you enable Powertune

It makes me wonder why did AMD did this, though...

 

[neliz]

It makes me wonder why did AMD did this, though...

Why doesn't NVIDIA offer an OC utility where you can get extra performance or lower temperature of your card?

 

[ECH]

Why doesn't NVIDIA offer an OC utility where you can get extra performance or lower temperature of your card?

Hmm, makes me wonder if that switch can activate or deactivate ALUs to moderate power, performance, etc

 

[neliz]

Hmm, makes me wonder if that switch can activate or deactivate ALUs to moderate power, performance, etc

I've clearly written what the switch is for a few posts above you.

 

[mboeller]

At the moment it's just whispers from Taiwan, but they are getting louder. Both companies seem to be having trouble with 28nm, hence the talk of delays.

It should be official in January sometime and schedules will be adjusted accordingly.

So it affects only TSMC. GF is in Germany (mostly).

 

[Picao84]

Why doesn't NVIDIA offer an OC utility where you can get extra performance or lower temperature of your card?

Truth is, we can spin these type of arguments as well as we like, to make us look as good as we want, be them AMD or nVIDIA

Your "agressive" answer does not bode well for the reason they did, though

 

[ECH]

I've clearly written what the switch is for a few posts above you.

The -20 to 20 slider is a %, you can adjust the power of your card in the overdrive tab by 20% up or down.
the 250W is the maximum board consumption, but the non-OC power consumption is 190/200W...
so it can run at 650 MHz or 800 MHz during benchmarking if you enable Powertune

Yes, I've read that but I was wondering how it was being done. If there was more to it then clock rates.

 

[Psycho]

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=1045
Aricle says early 2012, but I have heard mid 2012 is a more realistic target, meaning the first cards with 28nm we will get will be Q3/4 2012.

Highend 32nm SOI GPUs for late 2011 then? At least AMD should have all the neccesary experience, including Llano.. (while it would be extremely hard for nvidia to pull that off)

 

[Mize]

What's the going price for a 580 GTX in France?
It's $529 USD here.

We have the 6970 coming in at 496 euros which would be mighty pricey if we use a straight $->euro conversion ($650 USD).

The 580 GTX is starting to look mighty sweet.

 

[NathansFortune]

So it affects only TSMC. GF is in Germany (mostly).

Nope. GF are also delaying. It was in the last analyst session.

but there will be no actual 28 nm products until 2012 per Dirk Meyer in their latest analyst meeting.

 

[NathansFortune]

What's the going price for a 580 GTX in France?
It's $529 USD here.

We have the 6970 coming in at 496 euros which would be mighty pricey if we use a straight $->euro conversion ($650 USD).

The 580 GTX is starting to look mighty sweet.

€496 includes sales tax at around 20%. The best conversion is to replace the € with a $ sign...

 

[neliz]

We have the 6970 coming in at 496 euros which would be mighty pricey if we use a straight $->euro conversion ($650 USD).

these prices are mostly straight $=€/€=$ prices.

Yes, I've read that but I was wondering how it was being done. If there was more to it then clock rates.

If you use DrMOS you have a lot of control and information on your power, really.

 

[NathansFortune]

Highend 32nm SOI GPUs for late 2011 then? At least AMD should have all the neccesary experience, including Llano.. (while it would be extremely hard for nvidia to pull that off)

Could be, but it depends on how much 32nm capacity there actually is. Can GF support AMD and ATi at the same time, I mean there is a reason that ATi still source their stuff from TSMC rather than GF.

 

[mboeller]

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=1045

Aricle says early 2012, but I have heard mid 2012 is a more realistic target, meaning the first cards with 28nm we will get will be Q3/4 2012.

Strange article!

No differentiation between GF and TSMC for example

So what is next? Well, both TSMC and GLOBALFOUNDRIES will have 28 nm on line by early 2012. TSMC is actually hoping for production to happen in Q2 2011, but their track record is not exactly spotless. So this potentially means that we will not see anything come out at 28 nm for some time yet. AMD expects GF to have some risk production in Q3/Q4 2011, but there will be no actual 28 nm products until 2012 per Dirk Meyer in their latest analyst meeting.

Somehow it seems he misreads 2011 with 2012. According to the roadmap from GF (an older one is in the article) the risk production starts in Q4/2010 and serial production at the beginning of Q3/2011

GF roadmap:

Link: http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/10/13/global-foundries-talks-28-and-20nm-gtc-asia/

 

[Alexko]

What's the going price for a 580 GTX in France?
It's $529 USD here.

We have the 6970 coming in at 496 euros which would be mighty pricey if we use a straight $->euro conversion ($650 USD).

The 580 GTX is starting to look mighty sweet.

About €450 or more… Don't pay any attention to those prices, premature listings are seldom accurate.

 

[NathansFortune]

Strange article!

No differentiation between GF and TSMC for example



Somehow it seems he misreads 2011 with 2012. According to the roadmap from GF (an older one is in the article) the risk production starts in Q4/2010 and serial production at the beginning of Q3/2011

GF roadmap:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/static/uploads/2010/10_october/gtc_2.jpg[img]

Link: [url]http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/10/13/global-foundries-talks-28-and-20nm-gtc-asia/[/url][/QUOTE]

You are welcome to believe that all is well, it doesn't bother me, but when the announce comes early next year don't act surprised...

 

[mboeller]

Nope. GF are also delaying. It was in the last analyst session.

IMHO that quote is completely wrong.

 

[mboeller]

You are welcome to believe that all is well, it doesn't bother me, but when the announce comes early next year don't act surprised...

And you believe one strangely written article....

 

[NathansFortune]

Whatever, I get that you are from Germany, and somehow saying GF are going to delay 28nm is some kind of insult to Germans, but if the CEO of AMD is saying they don't expect to have 28nm products until 2012 then it means that GF are delaying 28nm.