Indeed, it is called "dumping stock" take a loss on your sales-out instead of Nventory write-off.
AMD: R9xx Speculation
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Indeed, it is called "dumping stock" take a loss on your sales-out instead of Nventory write-off.
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Price drops will hopefully bring the Cayman cards (the true replacements for 5870/5850) down to a more sensible price.
Cayman Doesn't go up against GTX480. Even then, Cayman would probably be priced more sensible in the first place
It doesn't? There is nothing else to compete with at the moment.
Cayman most likely goes against a GTX480 refresh/successor. Whenever and whatever that may be.
Market reality, customers wont buy slower and more expensive cards (outside of fan(atics) of course).
Better question is, will Nvidia make any profit from 460/470 after lowering the prices?
I don't think they are making any profit at current levels. Profit for nV comes from Tesla and Quadro.
Ouch, Nvidia cant catch a brake, they have to significantly cut the prices and possible go in red, while Red team undercuts NV even more
Which is probably why they can afford a price war more than AMD. It starts to make even more sense if GF100 is near EOL.
Just because they will call it different, won't mean it's a different product.
nVidia's gross margin is the same like AMD's. 50%+ of their revenue coming from the geforce business, "ATi" puts only 25% into AMD's revenue stream.
They make enough profit with their geforce business, because their gross margin must be in the range of 30%+.
if it has 128 TMU's in the GTX580, it will only reaffirm what I said before launch, the original specs of GF100 say 128 TMUs.
5 is closer to 6 than 4.
So you really believe GTX 580 is GF100 based? How much money would you put down on that?
Note that I don't have a clue but you seem very sure of yourself.
So you really believe GTX 580 is GF100 based? How much money would you put down on that?
If Barts' pin-to-pin compatibility is a let-down to people, be sure to see some sad faces soon.
I'll PayPal you $1 if you don't say "couldn't they've just called this a GTX485?" after launch, okay?
I think the GTX460 should still turn a profit. If you look at current prices the difference between the 768MB and 1GB version is quite big, certainly more so than costs to make them should indicate. Complexity of PCB, VRM etc. shouldn't be that much higher than that of Barts XT - of course it's going to compete with Barts Pro which should be cheaper, but still I don't think it's that high. Of course the chip itself is also going to cost more, but we're talking "only" ~30% bigger die so assuming yields are comparable it should not cost unreasonable amounts of money.
GTX470 is certainly a different case. More than twice the die size (with reportedly less than stellar yields), more complex PCB (probably), more complex VRM, even needs more ram chips. I sort of expected nvidia to drop it and replace with a full-chip GF104 but looks like that's (not yet?) happening.
How about if GTX 580 is GF100 based AND has 128 TMUs I'll paypal you $100? You deserve that much for sticking with the hair-brained story
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