Tonga has been confirmed to have 2048 SP in full configuration, most likely there's total of 384 bit memory controllers too, even though we haven't seen such in product yet
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Not enabled.. so actually we can only look on the 285 specifications. (( well there's the Apple mobile version one too )
DmitryKo
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From the latest Windows 10 Catalyst driver 15.200.1023, new device ID strings for mobile parts confirm that Oland gets silently replaced by Iceland/Topaz in both M200 and M300 series, as indicated by CodeXL 1.7
Mobile parts:
R5 M320, R5 M330, R5 M335 == AMD666x Hainan (GCN 1.0)
R5 M315, R7 M340, R7 M360 == AMD690x Iceland (GCN 1.2);
R7 M340, R7 M350, R7 M370 == AMD660x/661x Oland (GCN 1.0)
R9 M360, R9 M375, R9 M375X == AMD682x Cape Verde (GCN 1.0).
(Note an overlap as there are both "R7 M360" and "R9 M360" wuthout an ending "X", and the latter part is almost two times faster.
Also note that "R7 M340" has two versions with both Oland and Iceland onboard.)
For desktop, there are the same "R7 300 series" strings for Pitcairn/Curacao based desktop parts, and also new R7 350 and R5 340 Oland desktop parts:
R7 350, R5 340 == AMD661x Oland (GCN 1.0)
R7 360 == AMD681x Pitcairn/Curacao (GCN 1.0)
[UPDATE] More ID strings discovered.
Mobile parts:
R5 M320, R5 M330, R5 M335 == AMD666x Hainan (GCN 1.0)
R5 M315, R7 M340, R7 M360 == AMD690x Iceland (GCN 1.2);
R7 M340, R7 M350, R7 M370 == AMD660x/661x Oland (GCN 1.0)
R9 M360, R9 M375, R9 M375X == AMD682x Cape Verde (GCN 1.0).
(Note an overlap as there are both "R7 M360" and "R9 M360" wuthout an ending "X", and the latter part is almost two times faster.
Also note that "R7 M340" has two versions with both Oland and Iceland onboard.)
For desktop, there are the same "R7 300 series" strings for Pitcairn/Curacao based desktop parts, and also new R7 350 and R5 340 Oland desktop parts:
R7 350, R5 340 == AMD661x Oland (GCN 1.0)
R7 360 == AMD681x Pitcairn/Curacao (GCN 1.0)
[UPDATE] More ID strings discovered.
Code:
[Strings]
AMD6600.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8600/8700M"
AMD6600.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M370"
AMD6601.1 = "AMD Radeon (TM) HD 8500M/8700M"
AMD6604.1 = "AMD Radeon R7 M265 Series"
AMD6604.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M350"
AMD6605.1 = "AMD Radeon R7 M260 Series"
AMD6605.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M340"
AMD6606.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8790M"
AMD6607.1 = "AMD Radeon R5 M240"
AMD6610.1 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD6610.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 350"
AMD6610.3 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R5 340"
AMD6660.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8600M Series"
AMD6660.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M335 "
AMD6660.3 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M330 "
AMD6663.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8500M Series"
AMD6663.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M320"
AMD6664.1 = "AMD Radeon R5 M200 Series"
AMD6665.1 = "AMD Radeon R5 M230 Series"
AMD6665.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M320"
AMD6667.1 = "AMD Radeon R5 M200 Series "
AMD666F.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8500M"
AMD6810.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 200 Series"
AMD6810.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 300 Series"
AMD6811.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 200 Series "
AMD6811.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 300 Series"
AMD6820.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 M275X"
AMD6820.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 M375"
AMD6820.3 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 M375X"
AMD6821.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 M270X"
AMD6821.2 = "DID:6821 RID:83"
AMD6822.1 = "AMD Radeon E8860"
AMD6823.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 M265X"
AMD6822.1 = "AMD Radeon E8860"
AMD6823.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 M265X"
AMD682B.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8800M Series"
AMD682B.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 M360"
AMD6900.1 = "AMD Radeon R7 M260"
AMD6900.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M360"
AMD6900.3 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M340"
AMD6901.1 = "AMD Radeon R5 M255"
AMD6907.1 = "AMD Radeon R5 M255"
AMD6907.2 = "AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M315"
[ATI.Mfg.NTamd64.10.0]
"%AMD6600.1%" = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6600&REV_00
"%AMD6600.2%" = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6600&REV_81
"%AMD6601.1%" = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6601
"%AMD6604.1%" = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6604&REV_00
"%AMD6604.2%" = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6604&REV_81
"%AMD6605.1%" = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6605&REV_00
"%AMD6605.2%" = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6605&REV_81
"%AMD6606.1%" = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6606
"%AMD6607.1%" = ati2mtag_R502, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6607
"%AMD6610.1%" = ati2mtag_R501, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6610&REV_00
"%AMD6610.2%" = ati2mtag_R501, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6610&REV_81
"%AMD6610.3%" = ati2mtag_R501, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6610&REV_83
"%AMD6820.1%" = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6820&REV_00
"%AMD6820.2%" = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6820&REV_81
"%AMD6820.3%" = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6820&REV_83
"%AMD6821.1%" = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6821&REV_00
"%AMD6821.2%" = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6821&REV_83
"%AMD6822.1%" = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6822
"%AMD6823.1%" = ati2mtag_R577, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6823&REV_00
"%AMD682B.1%" = ati2mtag_R577B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_682B&REV_00
"%AMD682B.2%" = ati2mtag_R577B, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_682B&REV_87
"%AMD6900.1%" = ati2mtag_Topaz, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6900&REV_00
"%AMD6900.2%" = ati2mtag_Topaz, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6900&REV_81
"%AMD6900.3%" = ati2mtag_Topaz, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6900&REV_83
"%AMD6901.1%" = ati2mtag_Topaz, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6901
"%AMD6907.1%" = ati2mtag_Topaz, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6907&REV_00
"%AMD6907.2%" = ati2mtag_Topaz, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6907&REV_87
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gamervivek
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Maybe, but Tonga has almost 700 million extra transistors compared to Tahiti. If the former has 1MB of L2 vs. the latter's 512KB, that's less than 34 million extra transistors, assuming 8T cells. OK, maybe 50 million with tags and other stuff. I'd be very surprised if the beefier front-end and improved color compression accounted for this much of an increase in the transistor count.
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I don't get it.
AMD spent their resources to remake their rock-bottom GPU that will pretty much be only usable for Hybrid Crossfire with Carrizo, but didn't bother to remake the 3-year-old Pitcairn that occupies a much larger and more important price range.
And now their $120-$180 cards won't support TrueAudio or FreeSync.
Am I the only one who's utterly shocked with the apparent Pitcairn situation?
You are not.
Tahiti has 768 kb. I haven't seen definitive value for the mysterious Tonga.
My bad. But short of a massive amount of L2 in Tonga, it would be difficult to account for the higher transistor count.
iMacmatician
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AMD will have a press conference at Computex 2015 during which "new, comprehensive details on AMD’s 2015 product lineup" will be unveiled.
I think anything's better than the details that AMD gave at the Financial Analyst Day….
I think anything's better than the details that AMD gave at the Financial Analyst Day….
Computex almost here... *slobberslobber* I haven't upgraded my PC in over two years now, and arguably downgraded it after I was forced* to switch from dual GF770s to a single R9 290X!
*Sandwiching two 770s on an uATX board caused the fan sleeve bearings to cook out and gum up, causing noise and heat-related throttling. After two cards gave up the ghost, I gave up too and ripped 'em both out.
(Btw - hate HATE sleeve bearings. What are they doing on high-end ASUS GPU boards???)
*Sandwiching two 770s on an uATX board caused the fan sleeve bearings to cook out and gum up, causing noise and heat-related throttling. After two cards gave up the ghost, I gave up too and ripped 'em both out.
(Btw - hate HATE sleeve bearings. What are they doing on high-end ASUS GPU boards???)Computex almost here... *slobberslobber* I haven't upgraded my PC in over two years now, and arguably downgraded it after I was forced* to switch from dual GF770s to a single R9 290X!
*Sandwiching two 770s on an uATX board caused the fan sleeve bearings to cook out and gum up, causing noise and heat-related throttling. After two cards gave up the ghost, I gave up too and ripped 'em both out.
Lol, well, maybe nott your taste, this make since the 6600 GT series that i have allways watercool all my dual gpu setup. ( and so this mean every gpu's i have got and nearly every gpu series released ) .. no problem of hot air trapped between gpu's, temperatures and fans speed throttling ).
DmitryKo
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It's more complex than that - I've found some more ID strings and only a few low-end 300-series parts get Iceland (GCN 1.2) core, the rest is still based on Oland (GCN 1.0)!
"There's too much confusion"...
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It's more complex than that - I've found some more ID strings and only a few low-end 300-series parts get Iceland (GCN 1.2) core, the rest is still based on Oland (GCN 1.0)!
"There's too much confusion"...
Like I said, those GPUs are useless for discrete cards, desktop or mobile. I read that Iceland don't even have the VCE modules, so they're definitely designed to be paired with APUs exclusively (Hybrid Graphics with AMD, perhaps DX12 multi-adapter in the future).
They're keeping Oland around in case some vendor decides to make Kaveri laptops, and Iceland will pair up with Carrizo laptops.
DmitryKo
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So they are not really replacing Oland with Iceland, but rather letting OEMs more freedom?
That could explain two versions of "M340" and "M360" parts, as well as multiple versions of 200-series mobile parts - but honestly, why in hell put a newer GPU as in an old 200-series part? It only makes sense if OEMs silently upgrade their existing notebook/all-in-one PC with a newer APU and GPU without telling anyone, but typically they would just make a new model instead...
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Yes, this is why 390(X?) WCE is so darned tempting to me. Especially if the form factor of the card is as short as rumored in the shots we've seen, that'd make installation a breeze in my current chassis. It was only barely I could squeeze in the uber-long penis substitute that is the custom Asus 290X card I have now, if it'd been just a few mm:s longer it wouldn't have fit at all, and due to the diagonally mounted bottom fan in this chassis I can't fit a second board at all; it would hit the fan cage. The dual 770s only fit because the fan shroud was shorter than the PCB itself, allowing the leftmost board to sneak in despite the fan cage. The 290's shroud is at least as long as the PCB itself - which is also longer than the 770's, so a second card is completely out of the question. I could rip the fan cage out of course - it pops out with just one screw removed - but I don't think that would improve the running temperature of the cards!
No; watercooling for me as well for future dual board setups, methinks. Also, it would improve noise. Modern GPU fan/sinks do cause quite a racket (especially with a notoriously hot GPU core like Hawaii's), even though things are somewhat better now than they used to be.
Yes, this is why 390(X?) WCE is so darned tempting to me. Especially if the form factor of the card is as short as rumored in the shots we've seen, that'd make installation a breeze in my current chassis. It was only barely I could squeeze in the uber-long penis substitute that is the custom Asus 290X card I have now, if it'd been just a few mm:s longer it wouldn't have fit at all, and due to the diagonally mounted bottom fan in this chassis I can't fit a second board at all; it would hit the fan cage. The dual 770s only fit because the fan shroud was shorter than the PCB itself, allowing the leftmost board to sneak in despite the fan cage. The 290's shroud is at least as long as the PCB itself - which is also longer than the 770's, so a second card is completely out of the question. I could rip the fan cage out of course - it pops out with just one screw removed - but I don't think that would improve the running temperature of the cards!
No; watercooling for me as well for future dual board setups, methinks. Also, it would improve noise. Modern GPU fan/sinks do cause quite a racket (especially with a notoriously hot GPU core like Hawaii's), even though things are somewhat better now than they used to be.
Well. personally, like you have understand i build my own watercool circuit ( mostly based on EK blocks, as they have allways serve me well ), i choose my case in functions of the radiators size and place requirement ( i use big rads in term of size- 15-20cm height, so i need place then for fit them ).. ofc, then i need a good pump, i need good fans for get silent and excellent cooling ( Gentle Typhoon ), i need good tubing, i need good waterblocks etc. ) Well the conclusion, i choose the case in function of my watercooling system needs...
You know, some years ago, i was use phasechange cooling 24/24 mostly, it was the only way to get good subzerocooling temps 24/24 - 7/7.. (( outside Peletier, but less practicable ).
I have even use a modded Vapochill XE2 case for a long time and other phase change units ofc before been not able to mod the head anymore for new sockets..
But well, today, for good overclocking, you dont need subzero temps on CPU's or on GPU's, useless.. ( untill you go for dice or Ln2 )
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@lanek Phase change is entirely too noisy, not to mention bulky and expensive, for me... However, a self-contained watercooler would be alright.
Btw:
Sweclockers.com reports that AMD might be considering breaking Fiji out of the radeon 300 series and creating a limited, premium brand like the geforce titan series, presumably with a correspondingly titanic price tag as well.
If true, that would be incredibly disappointing. I can't see how I could ever justify another AMD purchase if they go that route, especially as we're now approaching six months into 2015 without a WHQL driver (we've probably passed the 6-month marker already since previous release quality driver was issued.)
Btw:
Sweclockers.com reports that AMD might be considering breaking Fiji out of the radeon 300 series and creating a limited, premium brand like the geforce titan series, presumably with a correspondingly titanic price tag as well.
If true, that would be incredibly disappointing. I can't see how I could ever justify another AMD purchase if they go that route, especially as we're now approaching six months into 2015 without a WHQL driver (we've probably passed the 6-month marker already since previous release quality driver was issued.)
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